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To: Loyalist; Catholicguy
And what do you tell the Protestant brethren, when they see that you confuse infallibility with impeccability?

That is a large concern of mine as well. I asked about it earler, but the question was treated as a joke, rather than seriously answered.

I'm sure I'm not the only Catholic on FR who has had to explain the difference between true papal infallibility and the false notion of papal impeccability to Protestants (and some atheists). It is frustrating to explain over and over that not every word from the Pope's mouth, nor every action he takes is considered infallible.

I have a hard time seeing where you draw the line between the true notion of a Council's infallibility - which relates specifically to the definitions and decrees issued by the councils - and the false notion of a Council's impeccability, which would presumably relate to everything else a Council says or does.

This is not to say that statments and teachings which are not infallible are not important. It is also not to say that a Council exercizes no authority other than infallibility. Both of those notions are clearly false. But to casually treat the infallibility of a Council is to invite the same error (i.e. equating infallibility and impeccability) which we so frequently see applied to the pope.

115 posted on 09/26/2002 11:13:58 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington
http://www.ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/TRIGINFL.HTM Here is a link to an EWTN explanation of Infallibility. The reason I treated your accusation I confuse Impeccability and Infallibility is that I think it is a joke. I do no such thing and impeccability refers to individuals not an Ecumenical Council. Sheesh...

Jesus and Mary are Impeccable. All Ecumenical Councils are Infallible, it is intrinsic to their nature. With all due respect, it is you that is confused. Try to find any Catholic, traditionalist, modernist, conservative, that has ever described an Ecumenical Council as "impeccable."<>

118 posted on 09/26/2002 12:06:31 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Snuffington
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

Link to Infallibility. Note it says that Ecumenical Councils are Infallible.
120 posted on 09/26/2002 12:17:18 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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