[xzins]

Jesse & J24, it's a simple question: Is Jude citing 1 Enoch or is he not? EVERY scholarly commentary on Jude says he is. That is the only question before you. Is he or isn't he?

And J24, just because Paul saw truth in a line from a poem doesn't mean he saw the whole poem being truth, and certainly not scriptural or inspired. We quote others all the time....that doesn't mean we endorse their entire work.

Where does Jude get the idea that some angels were in darkness for violating their position? What got them there?

Likewise, what does Genesis mean when it says that sons of God cohabited with women and gave rise to giants? There are only a few possible interpretations of that passage. In 1Enoch you see one of them. Jude adopts it. (And so does Charles Ryrie.)

[JesseShurun]

Again xzins, really. There's some woman with a cult following living under the mountains of Montana, using the book of Enoch as her bible.

Scripture interprets scripture and the answers to everything are in scripture. All you have to do is apply yourself, and quit running here and there to hear something new, that you like better. Chocolate milk is good, but then when it's time to become a man, it's time.

[ksen]

But did Jude quote ALL of I Enoch? No.

My view is that the sons of God are Seth’s children who intermarried with the daughters of Cain. Seth being the heavenly line and Cain being the earthly line.

[jude24]

And J24, just because Paul saw truth in a line from a poem doesn't mean he saw the whole poem being truth, and certainly not scriptural or inspired. We quote others all the time....that doesn't mean we endorse their entire work.

If we're gonna discuss Jude, for the sake of simplicity, call me Tim.

Anyway, you restated my exact point. Just because Jude quotes 1 Enoch, which was undoubtedly well-known to his audience, does not indicate he agreed with the whole thing.

When I speak at chruch or crusade, sometimes I'll use a movie quote or something that comes to mind. If I quote CS Lewis, does that mean I agree with every word he taught? (No, I'm a Calvinist, he a universalist). What if I quote Ayn Rand? No, I'm not an objectivist. How 'bout when I use Greek mythology for a word picture? (e.g. the sword of Damocles.) Or Shakespeare?

You see my point?

[jude24]

Likewise, what does Genesis mean when it says that sons of God cohabited with women and gave rise to giants.

Simple. Lets see who are referred to as "the sons of God."

Luke 3:38 -- "the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. "

Blows a mack-truck size hole into your argument.

[fortheDeclaration]

Where does Jude get the idea that some angels were in darkness for violating their position? What got them there?

He got it from God! (2Pet.1:21)

The same place Moses got his information on the creation of the world, and Isaiah got his information on the first sin (Isa.14)