A Defense of the Ecumenical Gathering at Assisi (Ecumenism in St. Thomas Aquinas)

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | uncertain | Fr. Moriselli

[Tantumergo]

I hav'nt had chance to see that refutation - could you be so good as to direct me to the relevant post?

Thanks

T

[Polycarp]

I can't recall now where I posted it, or where I found this explanation, but I'll re-post it here:

Regarding the Assissi event, the Buddha statue and the Tabernacle:

Buddhists were allowed to use a church for prayer (an imprudent decision IMHO!!!). As is their custom, they placed a small statue of Buddha in a prominent place. The most prominent place was the tabernacle. They may have even believed it was for such a purpose. As soon as Catholic hosts (NOT the Holy Father himself) discovered the gaffe, they explained to the Buddhists that this was offensive. The Buddhists gladly moved the statue.

So a minor mistake has somehow been ginned up into the Pope's desecration of the Eucharist.

Pathetic.

The Holy Father did not even know about the incident at the time.

Those who make these types of assertions cannot be trusted in any other claims.

[Salvation]

Thank you for both articles.

[ultima ratio]

"We look, then drive on." --Sinkpur.
Try looking and thinking. The wreckage is not the posting, it's the Pope's flagrant violations of the first commandment.

[Salvation]

We're definitely not going to believe you. Why don't you just go away. We get tired of seeing your old pictures every day.

May God forgive you.

[ultima ratio]

It's amusing to watch conciliar Catholics struggling to justify what can't be justified. This is novel papal behavior, unprotected by the Holy Spirit, and way out of line.

[Tantumergo]

Thanks for your info.

"So a minor mistake has somehow been ginned up into the Pope's desecration of the Eucharist."

I wish these people would give the Pope a break - they want him to be impeccable and infallible from the moment he wakes up each day to the moment he goes to sleep. As if he didn't have enough pressure already! Even if the Pope had given personal permission for this to happen, it would only amount to poor judgement - not heresy or apostasy.

It seems to me that both extreme traditionalists and extreme conservatives tend to feed off the same error:

the extreme traditionalist thinks that the authorities in the Church should never make human mistakes, so evidence of misjudgement, imprudence etc. is seen as evidence of heresy and apostasy.

the extreme conservative thinks that the authorities in the Church can never make human mistakes of misjudgement, imprudence etc. so everything they do/say must be followed to the letter and anyone who questions this is a heretic and apostate.

IMHO both views lead to a lot of unnecessary heat and polemic, even though both spring from worthy motivations.

[Catholicguy]

Those who make these types of assertions cannot be trusted in any other claims.

<> Amen. Of course, that will not stop them. They have no shame. They will continually repost the same lies and fabrications even after those lies and fabrications have been repeatedly knocked-down.

That is just another indication of what happens to those in the fevered swamps of schism. They get so turned around in there that they become hopelessly lost and confused. Their only hope is to STOP where they are and pray for Divine guidance out of that swamp, or, they may be lost forever

[Polycarp]

And where does one find that peaceful middle ground between extreme traditionalist and "extreme" conservative? I like to think that is what I'm trying to do, but I doubt I'm having much real success at it here.

[Polycarp]

that will not stop them. They have no shame. They will continually repost the same lies and fabrications even after those lies and fabrications have been repeatedly knocked-down

Then I guess we cannot rest, huh?

[Tantumergo]

"And where does one find that peaceful middle ground between extreme traditionalist and "extreme" conservative? I like to think that is what I'm trying to do, but I doubt I'm having much real success at it here."

You seem to be having more success than most - you are prepared to defend the Holy Father against wild accusation, but at the same time you have been honest about the things that give you and many of us just concern.

I don't think the "middle ground" is necessarily peaceful or easy. GK Chesterton described orthodoxy as walking a tightrope without a safety harness (hopelessly inept paraphrase on my part) and that this is the truly radical untried path in the life of the Church. It is always easier to veer off to the right or to the left than to follow the hard and narrow way.

[Polycarp]

this is the truly radical untried path in the life of the Church

Amen. Thank you for your insights.

[american colleen]

"I don't think the "middle ground" is necessarily peaceful or easy. GK Chesterton described orthodoxy as walking a tightrope without a safety harness (hopelessly inept paraphrase on my part) and that this is the truly radical untried path in the life of the Church. It is always easier to veer off to the right or to the left than to follow the hard and narrow way."

Thank you! This is very inspirational and thought provoking. And wise.

[Right To Life]

I very rarely engage in personal insult on this forum.

Oh, please! What an incredibly blatant lie!!!

[Polycarp]

Who the heck are you and why are you harassing me here on multiple threads??? I've been away camping for the last 4 days, only to return to find this crap from you. Bug off.