Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Inculturation at Papal Masses; next, Poland and St. Faustina
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 8/7/2002 | John L. Allen

Posted on 08/13/2002 7:22:41 PM PDT by sinkspur

click here to read article

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121 next last

1 posted on 08/13/2002 7:22:41 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: sitetest; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; Desdemona; Salvation; narses; ultima ratio; Polycarp; ...
Some interesting stuff on John Paul II.
2 posted on 08/13/2002 7:29:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur; GatorGirl; tiki; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
More on "Inculturation" in the real world sinkspur:

Human Life International reported yesterday that some South African's are calling for ancestor worship and animal sacrifices to be included in the liturgy of the Mass. According to Archbishop Buti Tlhagale of Bloemfontein, plans to include African pagan rites during the Mass is in response to the Vatican's invitation to "inculturate" Catholic rites.

Hearing that both priests and lay people were making such plans, an outraged Father Richard Welch, President of Human Life International, steamed, "In the letter to the Hebrews, Saint Paul discussed the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross with the following words: 'For it is impossible that with the blood of oxen and goats sin should be taken away…Sacrifice and oblation thou would not…Behold, I come…He takes away the first, that he may establish that which follows…we are sanctified by the oblation of the body of Jesus Christ once.'"

"This means that all animal and other such sacrifices to God ended with the sacrifice of His Son on the Cross. To distort and change that perfect oblation of the body and blood of Jesus Christ is an abomination," said Father Welch. "The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that superstition, idolatry, divination and magic are perversions of the virtue of religon. It is a sacrilege to profane the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and it is an especially grave sin when committed against the Holy Eucharist."


In Mardi Gras and Rio Carnival owe soul to Dionysus, Raiders News Update pointed out that Dionysus, the Greek god of wine and revelry, was believed to be "the craving within man that longs to 'let itself go' and to 'give itself over' to the baser earthly desires." Such Dionystic abandonment included animal sacrifice, ancestor worship, and corruption of the concepts of Holy Communion.

Like those hoping to join animal sacrifices with the Mass, followers of Dionysus resisted every effort to control paganism. They believed that Dionysus visited a terrible madness upon those who tried to deny him his free expression. Conversely, people who gave themselves over to the will of Dionysus were rewarded with unlimited psychological and physical delights.

Mythical systems of mental punishments and physical rewards based on resistance and/or submission to Dionysus, were both symbolically and literally illustrated in the cult rituals of the Bacchae, as the Bacchae women (Greek women who participated in the mysteries of Dionysus) migrated in frenzied hillside groups, dressed transvestite in fawn skins and accompanied by ritual sacrifices, screaming, music, dancing, and licentious behavior.

When, for instance, a baby animal was too young and lacking in instinct to sense the danger and run away from the revelers, it was picked up and suckled by nursing mothers who participated in the hillside rituals. But when older animals sought to escape the marauding Bacchae, they were considered "resistant" to the will of Dionysus and were torn apart and eaten alive as a part of the fevered ritual. Human participants were sometimes subjected to the same orgiastic cruelty, as the rule of the cult was "anything goes," including bloodletting, beastiality, etc. Later versions of the ritual (Bacchanalia) expanded to include male revelers, and perversions of sexual behavior were often worse between men than they were between men and women. Anyone daring to resist Dionysus was subjected to sparagmos ("torn apart') and omophagia ("consumed raw").

In B.C. 410, Euripides wrote of the bloody rituals of the Bacchae in his famous play, The Bacchantes:
...the Bacchantes....with hands that bore no weapon of steel, attacked our cattle as they browsed. Then wouldst thou have seen Agave mastering some sleek lowing calf, while others rent the heifers limb from limb. Before thy eyes there would have been hurling of ribs and hoofs this way and that, and strips of flesh, all blood be-dabbled, dripped as they hung from the pine branches. Wild bulls, that glared but now with rage along their horns, found themselves tripped up, dragged down to earth by countless maidens hands.
Euripedes went on to describe how Pentheus, the King of Thebes, was torn apart and eaten alive by his own mother as, according to the play, she fell under the spell of Dionysus.


The tearing apart and eating alive of sacrificial victims may refer to the earliest history of the cult of Dionysus. An ancient and violent cult ritual existing since the dawn of paganism stipulated that, by eating alive, or by drinking the blood, of an enemy or an animal, a person might somehow capture the essence or "soul-strength" of the victim. The earliest Norwegian huntsmen believed in this idea, and they drank the blood of bears in an effort to capture their physical strength. East African Masai warriors also practiced omophagia, and they sought to gain the strength of the wild by drinking the blood of lions. Human victims were treated in this way by Arabs before Mohammed, and head-hunters of the East Indies practiced omophagia in an effort to capture the essence of their enemies.

The Maya and the Toltecs practiced similar ritual human sacrifice, cutting the heart from tens of thousands of living victims and drinking their blood.

[Photo inset: August Le Plongeon christened the reclining Maya figure at the summit of the Temple of the Warriors a "chacmool," a ritual figure believed to be a messenger to the gods. The dish on its stomach held the heart of the sacrificial victim.]

Today, omophagia is practiced by certain Voodoo sects as well as by cult Satanists. Such modern omophagia illustrates a continuing effort on the part of Satan to distort the original revelations of God. Eating human flesh and drinking human blood as an attempt to "become one" with the devoured is, in many cases, a demonization of the Eucharist, or Holy Communion.

But sparagmos and omophagia, as practiced by the followers of Dionysus, was not an attempt of transubstantiation (as in the Catholic Eucharist), nor of consubstantiation (as in the Lutheran communion), nor yet of a symbolic ordinance (as in the fundamentalist denomination), all of which have as a common goal the elevating of the worshipper into a sacramental communion with God. The goal of the Bacchae was the opposite: The frenzied dance; the thunderous song; the licentious behavior; the tearing apart and eating alive; all were efforts on the part of the Bacchae to capture the essence of the god (Dionysus) and bring him down into an incarnated rage within man. The idea was not one of holy communion, but of possession by the spirit of Dionysus.

When one recalls the horrific animal and human sacrifices made by the followers of Dionysus, it's easy to understand Father Welch's outrage: "…if a Greek bishop requested permission to unite Easter Mass with a sacrifice to Demeter [see Raiders News Update article on Easter], he would be an object of mockery. This is a blatant contradiction of the first commandment hiding in the sheep's clothes of diversity. These practices were begun in the worship of false gods."

Father Welch concludes, "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a hidden treasure of graces obtained for us by Jesus Christ with His Death at Calvary. As we begin the Lenten Season and commemorate the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ, we must pray that the people of South Africa, and all those who dissent from the Church, will return to the one true and eternal faith."
3 posted on 08/13/2002 7:46:52 PM PDT by narses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur; sitetest; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; Desdemona; Salvation; narses; ultima ratio; ...

The original image, from Krakow. We've 'inculturated' the image a bit in the USA.

4 posted on 08/13/2002 8:58:39 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Mike Fieschko; JMJ333; Siobhan; Aquinasfan
(Bump!) Jesus I trust in You!
5 posted on 08/13/2002 9:09:41 PM PDT by Pyro7480
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Mike Fieschko
I like the original. From what I have read, Sr. Faustina was disappointed in the image. But Jesus told her that even though the image was to be venerated, it shouldn't be the focus. My personal favorite versions of the Divine Mercy Image are these:

This one is from the inside of the National Shrine of the Divine Mercy in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. It was painted by Maria Gama in 1945.

The other one is from the Monastery Icons company. It was painted by iconographer Photios Kontoglou.

Here's a close up of the bust area from the Kontoglou icon.

I really like Byzantine-style art, actually.

6 posted on 08/13/2002 9:27:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: narses
Thanks for the flag.

Probably wasting your breath with Sinkspur where Mexicans and Africans are concerned.

7 posted on 08/13/2002 9:52:45 PM PDT by Askel5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
Interesting article. thanks for posting it.
8 posted on 08/13/2002 10:41:48 PM PDT by St.Chuck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480; Mike Fieschko
Thanks to both of you for posting those pictures.

In her book -- Divine Mercy In My Soul - Diary, I've seen the "first image" of the original painting and it closely resembles (the face appears thinner in the book) the first painting posted by Pyro. However, probably because of costs, it's in black of white and not as clearly defined as the painting you posted.

9 posted on 08/14/2002 7:17:35 AM PDT by Sock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Sock
Here it is truncated and on the right of this composite.
10 posted on 08/14/2002 7:26:45 AM PDT by Sock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Askel5
Probably wasting your breath with Sinkspur where Mexicans and Africans are concerned.

Either this remark is meant to imply racism on my part, or it does imply racism on your part.

As far as I'm concerned, inculturation is a settled issue liturgically: native customs are perfectly appropriate for inclusion as long as they don't require mopping the floor afterward.

11 posted on 08/14/2002 7:30:59 AM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

Comment #12 Removed by Moderator

Here is an example of proper outrage at the "communicatio in sacris" and pagan rituals that occured, as reported by Chris Ferrara in the Remnant.

Chris Ferrara is no reporter. He's a propagandist, whose outrage is the only emotion he has. He spends his life looking to fuel that outrage and it is a grave misfortune that unwitting dupes find him in the least credible.

13 posted on 08/14/2002 8:02:03 AM PDT by St.Chuck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
Very interesting article. Thank you. I'm another who does not understand why a local touch, without venturing into pagan waters, is so bad. Some of the bizarre modern dancing I could do without, but that's personal taste.

But, when a saint is being canonized, why not? And what's so horrible about the way the Navajo venerate Mary. To them, she is as much mother earth as the mother of God. She's very prominant. And the Italians with the processions of the saints and the canopy with the monstrance (sp?). I've witnessed both and they are amazing to see.

Let's think about this. Christmas is on December 25 because it was the feast of a pagan god and it was the only way they could get people to go to Mass. The two, Catholicism and paganism, are linked in ways like this. And to remove ritual slides into protestantism, IMO.
14 posted on 08/14/2002 8:19:52 AM PDT by Desdemona
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


You mean the "We Protest you to your face" rag edited by Michael Matt? The same little pathetic compendium that advocates a Catholic monarchy as the "ideal" form of government?

Chris Ferrara and Matt are borderline schismatics.

You know, you're ultima ratio with a bad attitude.

Both of you are annoying and, frankly, beside the point.

15 posted on 08/14/2002 9:02:48 AM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Comment #16 Removed by Moderator

Judging from your postings you obviously are not.

Anathema sit.

You sit. On a very sharp stick.

Do you agree with THE REMNANT that a Catholic monarchy would be much better for America than the present Constitutional Republic?

17 posted on 08/14/2002 9:59:03 AM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
John Allen?--not exactly the anti-Christ but where was the 'hold-your-nose' alert? (benign crankiness)
18 posted on 08/14/2002 4:07:39 PM PDT by Havisham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Havisham
Why the hostility to John Allen? His reports cover aspects of the Vatican NOBODY ELSE seems to be interested in, and he is not a flaming liberal like so many at NCR.

There is simply no other Catholic paper that provides his perspective.

I read the NCR, regularly. Much of it is goofy stuff, but there are usually two or three articles that are worth reading. Allen's is always among those.

19 posted on 08/14/2002 4:17:44 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480
Thans for the flag, pyro! =)
20 posted on 08/14/2002 4:18:41 PM PDT by JMJ333
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson