EVIDENCE GROWS OF DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE TO VATICAN IN MAJOR AMERICAN SEMINARIES

Spirit Daily ^ | July 2, 2002

[NYer]

The author, Mr. Brown, is webmaster of Spirit Daily. I caught an interesting interview with him last night on EWTN.

[NYer]

PING! AND BUMP!

[Salvation]

BTTT for later reading.

[u57896]

I just finished reading the book. I would call it a must read. I wish I knew what the lay people could do to stop it. I have stopped giving to the church and the church I attend has the tridentine mass. I will give to the organizations that promote and endorse the return of tradition.

[nickcarraway]

If you're not going to be Catholic, why be Catholic?

[narses]

Good post, thanks for the ping.

[ThomasMore]

What we do know is that the central premise -- corruption in seminaries -- is something that has been painfully observed for many years and simply needed to be put between two hard covers.

Yes! And this more than validates this book and its value to the remnant faithful.

[ThomasMore]

"they would come right out in the classroom and at the pulpit and deny dogmas of the Catholic faith or at least sow the seeds of doubt and dissent -- from the divine personhood of Christ to inerrancy of Scripture to the infallibility of the ordinary magisterium."

I experienced this first hand at Providence College, which is used by our diocese for the Permanent Deacons' formation and some of the priestly vocations(pre-theologate).

[NYer]

I experienced this first hand at Providence College

A former neighbor left the seminary during the '80's for the very same reason. So, what does that say about those who do graduate from the seminary and serve as ordained priests? Heads up during homilies!

[ThomasMore]

there is a "new Bible theology" at seminaries teaching that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn't really write anything; that the idea of Mass "sacrifice" is an antiquated pagan idea; and that "all the miracles attributed to Jesus in the New Testament were fabrications."

Thank you Rudy Bultmann! (you liberal protestant !@#$%^&@#$%^&*@#$%^&* house wrecker you!)

[american colleen]

Thanks for the ping. A very good article and I am glad the author of it uses Fr. Trigilio's statements as Fr. Trigilio is a well known priest who has witnessed Mr. Rose's assertations first hand.

I am reading "Windswept House" and boy, is the premise of the story applicable to what is going on today - the disobedience to the Papal office. I wonder how much of the story is fact, and how much is fiction.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

From the article:"If one wants to glimpse the possibility of a future schism..."

One could argue that some of the colleges, seminaries, religious orders, and chanceries are practically in schism, directly opposing church teachings and Catholic orthodoxy in many areas. If activist sodomite wreckovators like Weakland were not in schism, opposing church teachings, who is?

[ThomasMore]

That has to stop right now, or right now we have to stop calling these seminaries Catholic.

Fr. Gould (on EWTN) had the right idea. Close down all but four or five and put them all under close surveillance. All rectors and faculty must take a yearly oath of fidelity to the Pope amd the Magisterium. And send in some ringers.

[narses]

According to Father Trigilio, there is a "new Bible theology" at seminaries teaching that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn't really write anything; that the idea of Mass "sacrifice" is an antiquated pagan idea; and that "all the miracles attributed to Jesus in the New Testament were fabrications."

My understanding is that Cardinal Kasper has said as much (at least regards the Divinity of Our Lord and the miracles) in a book he wrote. I haven't yet tracked down a copy, but if true he is a public heretic AND a Cardinal of the Church. It also explains his bizzarre ruling regards the "Mass" of the heretical Abyssinian Church of the East and the Chaldean Rite of the Catholic Church.

[ThomasMore]

graduate from the seminary and serve as ordained priests?

Always approach with caution. Isn't that an awful predicament. And the Bishops have been allowing this!!!!

[narses]

And grossly expand the regular orders that have stayed faithful -- the FSSP, the Legionairres and assuming the rapproachment with Rome is consummated, the SSPX.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"...Rudy Bultmann" 10 posted on 7/2/02 10:26 AM Pacific by ThomasMore

Modern biblical criticism, Liberation Theology, "death of God" theology, existentialism, Freud, etc.,...all this stuff is presented as if it is gospel, as if it is "science" and written in stone, while Thomism, Catholic doctrine, miracles are all subjected to doubt. Unfortunately, there is this trendy mentality which welcomes with giddy enthusiasm every liberal, modernist, and humanist ideology. At the same time that clergy were embracingt Freud, for instance, most of his quackery was being rejected by medical schools and professional psychiatric associations. It's that stupid. A lot of these guys are not really that bright, despite the jargon-laden, pseudo-intellectual pretensions. The whole attempt in Liberation Theology to mate Christianity with Communism or Socialism, for instance, is a classic exmple of how stupid and corrupt some of these types are. The homosexualism is in the same category. These people are working out neurotic hang-ups and all sorts of emotional grudges, and psychological problems through the machinery, power, and prestige of church institutions. You almost need doctoral specialization in abormal psychology to figure out what really is going on with the antics of some of these deranged types.

[Polycarp]

Good post. I had dinner with Fr Trigilio 2 years ago, and he told us much of what is related in Michael Rose's book. Its one thing to read it, its another to see the very real pain in his eyes as he relates these abuses.

I simply disregard the critics of Michael Rose. His analysis may not be a perfect scholarly endeavor, but it is 100% right on.

[Antoninus]

If you're not going to be Catholic, why be Catholic?

I suspect that the simple fact of the matter is that they are not only "not Catholic" but they HATE the Catholic Church to such an extent that they believe they are doing a good work by trying to tear it down from the inside. The dissenters must be chased out. Enough is enough.