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US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?
O'Reilly, NY Post, The Diocese Report, others... ^

Posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:43 PM PDT by Polycarp

On Fox tonight O'Reilly said a cardinal is about to be outed as an active homosexual. Rumor has it Bishop Bruskiwiecz sent a letter telling this Cardinal to "resign, or else..."

NY POST: WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . . WHICH ranking priest of a major diocese predicted over a boozy dinner the other night that if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall"?


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To: sinkspur
Hello Sink,

Well, what do you do, as a seminary rector preparing men for a Novus Ordo world, when none of 48 men at your seminary are interested in attending a Tridentine Mass? Force them to attend one?

1. I remain to be convinced that, in fact, none of the seminarians are interested in Tridentine Mass.

2. I would be interested to find out if this was the real reason (or primary one) why Bruskewitz pulled his seminarians.

3. I wonder where the deep harm is in preparing your priests to conduct Novus Ordo and the 1962 mass?

Granted that most will use the Novus Ordo during their ministry - but it seems odd that no attention whatsoever is given to one of the two main valid mass liturgies authorized by the Roman church.

A seminary is a community. Breaking them into "Tridentines" and "Novus Ordos" wouldn't seem to foster community worship.

I do not follow how allowing some room for Tridentine Mass necessarily breaks the seminarians up into two groups.

81 posted on 05/20/2002 8:53:08 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: The Iguana
Somehow I suspect you are not getting the real story.

I'm getting the real story.

I didn't share other details of their encounter with Bruskewitz. I'm trying to be charitable.

Let's just say they're not going to miss their yearly encounters with the good bishop.

I see your agenda against anti-traditional Catholicism appears undiminished.

Actually, I'm not against anti-traditional Catholicism.

82 posted on 05/20/2002 8:53:37 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: B Knotts
Hate the sin; love the sinner.....

Yeah.
But don't make hime a priest, for Christ's sake!


83 posted on 05/20/2002 8:54:27 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Polycarp
You are da man... I love your post explaining why you are doing this. I am not of your church. But I have nothing against it except for the abuse of power and the corruption within that power structure. I am speaking from a spiritual sense rather than political here. Wishing you the best.
84 posted on 05/20/2002 8:55:53 PM PDT by smoking camels
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To: Polycarp
Hope it's not Cardinal Mark McGwire. Good thing he retired!
85 posted on 05/20/2002 8:56:11 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: JMJ333
No, I did notice. It's seems obvious to me that this scandal in the Catholic Church is coinciding with the Islamic uprising against Christianity and Judaism. Everyone should note the coincidence that all the major western religions are currently in a HUGE turmoil.
86 posted on 05/20/2002 8:57:50 PM PDT by Alissa
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To: Sursum Corda
Why are you so quick to malign Bishop Bruskewitz?

Did I malign him?

Somebody accused me of maligning Archbishop Eldon Curtiss of Omaha, until I posted THIS ARTICLE.

87 posted on 05/20/2002 9:00:19 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: saradippity
Ping!
88 posted on 05/20/2002 9:00:25 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: B Knotts; ppaul
Sin can be in word, thought or deed.

Seems that if the Church were true to its own teachings, it would remove that priest/Cardinal from his position and minister to his needs. Leaving him in a leadership role surely sends the wrong message to the faithful.

89 posted on 05/20/2002 9:00:43 PM PDT by TheGrimReaper
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To: sinkspur
I can't imagine ANY reason why someone preparing to be a "Catholic" priest would not want to attend and learn about the liturgy of the Church which formed the basis of Catholic worship in the West for hundreds of years. That seems to display anti-intellectualism and vulgar modernism of the worst sort.
90 posted on 05/20/2002 9:02:19 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
Sink,

Actually, I'm not against anti-traditional Catholicism.

I am sure that you are not.

But pardon the typo just the same.

91 posted on 05/20/2002 9:02:33 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Polycarp
Your group should wear its new moniker as a badge of honor. Wishing you the best in your important, albeit local, mission.....
92 posted on 05/20/2002 9:03:51 PM PDT by tracer
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To: goldenstategirl
Relative to all above is that Nightline is devoting a whole program to proving that gays and lesbians are just "ordinary" people. Of course, Hannibal Lector is quite the charmer except for his unfortunate habit.
93 posted on 05/20/2002 9:04:11 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I can't imagine ANY reason why someone preparing to be a "Catholic" priest would not want to attend and learn about the liturgy of the Church which formed the basis of Catholic worship in the West for hundreds of years. That seems to display anti-intellectualism and vulgar modernism of the worst sort.

Learning about it is one thing. Being forced to worship at a Liturgy that is totally foreign is something else.

BTW, there are occasional Novus Ordo Latin liturgies at the seminary.

94 posted on 05/20/2002 9:05:47 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Sink,

Interesting article on Curtiss. I had not seen that.

If it is true, I find it deeply disappointing.

The priest in question needed help. He also needed to be cashiered.

95 posted on 05/20/2002 9:06:26 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Lazarus Long
Depends on how attached one is to material things, I guess. I'm more concerned about supernatural things myself. Yeah, I own guns and know how to use them, quite well.

But I would give everything I own, including my own personal freedoms, to preserve the innocence of my beautiful three children and help them on the road to heaven. That is the bottom line.

96 posted on 05/20/2002 9:06:59 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
And they're coming forward to fight as members of the Church Militant.

Dang straight!


97 posted on 05/20/2002 9:08:15 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: sinkspur
Learning about it is one thing. Being forced to worship at a Liturgy that is totally foreign is something else.

With luck they won't be seriously damaged by the experience.

98 posted on 05/20/2002 9:08:29 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Alissa
Nearly all, but certainly not all major Western Christian religions are in turmoil, but you make a very good point re: the coincidence with the current Islamic rampage and the general turmoil afflicting much of Christianity as of late...
99 posted on 05/20/2002 9:09:14 PM PDT by tracer
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To: B Knotts
I read a quote somewhere within the last few days which seems very wise to me. A person who has homosexual desires but remains celebate is no more a homosexual than a person who desires to steal (but refrains from it)is a thief.

Everyone is tempted by some vice, but what is important is how we deal with the temptations. God will not allow us to have any temptation greater than we can handle with his help. The homosexual problem in the Church really comes down to a lack of faith, prayer and spiritually by the Priests and lack of proper supervision by their superiors. Heterosexual or Homosexual, no one should be allowed to serve as a Priest, Bishop, Arch-bishop or Cardinal if they are not first faithful to their vows to God and the Church.

100 posted on 05/20/2002 9:10:26 PM PDT by daffyduct
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