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US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?
O'Reilly, NY Post, The Diocese Report, others... ^

Posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:43 PM PDT by Polycarp

On Fox tonight O'Reilly said a cardinal is about to be outed as an active homosexual. Rumor has it Bishop Bruskiwiecz sent a letter telling this Cardinal to "resign, or else..."

NY POST: WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . . WHICH ranking priest of a major diocese predicted over a boozy dinner the other night that if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall"?


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To: BlackElk
Give Bruskewitz Boston and an immediate red hat and watch the restoration of Boston's Catholicism. Give the Kennedys and the other phony pseudoCatholics an archbishop to fear.

Amen. Well said, as always.
221 posted on 05/21/2002 11:26:52 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: sockmonkey ; Domestic Church ; maryz ; sinkspur ; RobbyS ; jMJ333 ; polycarp
Ironically enough, I recall hearing somewhere about seminarians finishing their studies and being ordained without knowing how to say the Rosary. While that sounds bizarre, I'm sure it's not the worst example. For what it's worth, it is not really that hard to learn a working Latin vocabulary of the Latin words in the Mass.

At a parish I used to attend, the pastor once asked the congregation flippantly some years ago how many knew what Benediction was. About 1/3 held up their hands. He laughed (with no real intention to revive the practice). Give places like that 30 more years and 1/3 will know what a crucifix is.

222 posted on 05/21/2002 11:27:22 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: eastsider
My antennae went up when McCarrick made this Clintonesque statement to the press:

"I have never had sexual relations with any man, woman, or child in all my seventy years. Never!!"

The quote was given totally out of context and without coaxing. Perhapth The Lady Protesteth Too Muth.

223 posted on 05/21/2002 11:31:42 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: Polycarp
It is not McCarrick, for a fact. Please don't ruin a persons name if you have no evidence. Just by suggesting it, you do them harm, please stick to the facts, not rumours.
224 posted on 05/21/2002 11:44:10 AM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: Palladin
The particular statement that you've just quoted was incongruous with the persona he projects in interviews on Russert's "Meet the Press," where he's appeared several times and comes off as a thoughtful, articulate man. It struck me the same way it did you: Clintonesque. There's one way to find out: Next time McCarrick is on "Meet the Press," Russert should ask him whether oral sex is really sex. : )
225 posted on 05/21/2002 11:44:52 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Polycarp
Question is not which one will be pronounced Gay. Which one will be pronouced as a hetrosexual.
226 posted on 05/21/2002 11:47:58 AM PDT by GoMonster
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To: Polycarp
Which is Cong. Barney Frank's(D-Mass) Cardinal? That would be my guess.
227 posted on 05/21/2002 11:50:25 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: d14truth
That would be Bernie Law, the #1 suspect. Law has an unusual pedigree for a US cardinal. He was born in Mexico. He was an only child. He went to Harvard. This sets me imagining--perhaps Bernie is the fruit of an unlawful union between a previous American cardinal and some exotic Mexican woman. Perhaps he is the privileged recipient of a whole barrel of nepotistic riches. Perhaps this is what He's being blackmailed about. (Conjecture only, and from a novelist's imagination).
228 posted on 05/21/2002 12:00:34 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin
Why should he worry about being blackmailed for his pedigree? Seems to me that if he were going to be blackmailed, it would be for something that he did or for something that he should have done but didn't.
229 posted on 05/21/2002 12:08:01 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Polycarp
"In 1979, Cardinal Humberto Medeiros reassigned Shanley to the Newton parish, even though in 1974, according to one of Shanley's victims, the cardinal had been notified of Shanley's abuse by the victim's mother. Shanley said publicly at the time that he was removed from the youth ministry because he differed with Medeiros over the church's outreach to homosexuals."
230 posted on 05/21/2002 12:08:12 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: Polycarp
Fudge packing for Christ? Not biblical in any way. How sick is it to take a vow and use the vocation for hunting grounds?
231 posted on 05/21/2002 12:11:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Palladin
Bill O'Reilly on Cardinal Law--

Sins of the father

"Cardinal Bernard Law loves his red hat. He loves the power that comes with his position. He is ambitious, and he is determined to hold on to his job despite the embarrassment and pain he has caused his church and his Catholic brethren. Law is no different than a Gary Condit in his thinking. Both men were responsible for causing other people much personal pain. Both men refused to give up power. Condit's was taken away from him, but Law continues to reign."

232 posted on 05/21/2002 12:21:02 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: Polycarp
"There has never been a more glorious time to be Roman Catholic.

All the great saints wished to live to see this day."

Amen.

Your brother in Christ.

233 posted on 05/21/2002 12:39:32 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: sinkspur
Does he actively discourage the Novus Ordo?

Gosh, I hope so! The loss of the Latin Mass was the outward and visible sign of the doomed and self-destructing state of the Roman Catholic church. I stuck with it for all these years, now only to find out it's being run by a bunch of homosexual perverts. All the old anti-Catholic calumnies are being proved true, by the priests themselves!

This is a disgrace and a disaster. I really, truly don't even know what religion I am, for the first time in my life.

Who needed this after 9-11? My fairly anti-catholic hubby thinks it is all related, which would make it Armageddon I suppose, which in fact it may well be.

Ok, was that rambling and raving enough for all? Sorry about that chief!

234 posted on 05/21/2002 12:45:52 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Polycarp
BTW, what's Cardinal George doing with his biretta?


235 posted on 05/21/2002 12:50:54 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
For what it's worth, it is not really that hard to learn a working Latin vocabulary of the Latin words in the Mass.

Right! It's a fixed, relatively small set of words. Also, Church Latin (or medieval Latin) is much easier than Classical Latin to the speaker of most modern languages because it was moving in an analytic direction, i.e., less dependence on the case endings to carry so much and more dependence on word order (not as much as modern English, of course) and more use of prepositions.

236 posted on 05/21/2002 12:51:04 PM PDT by maryz
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To: jocon307
I really, truly don't even know what religion I am, for the first time in my life.

You are a Christian whose leaders have failed and disappointed you. That changes nothing about who you are and what you believe.

237 posted on 05/21/2002 1:00:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Polycarp
On Fox tonight O'Reilly said a cardinal is about to be outed as an active homosexual.

A priest at any level who has broken his vow of celibacy should be sanctioned by the Church. A homosexual priest who has remained celibate should be left alone.

This being said, the Cardinal who has not remained celibate and is currently an "active" homosexual is no true cardinal; he is a true hypocrite.

238 posted on 05/21/2002 1:02:30 PM PDT by JimRed
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To: JimRed
A homosexual priest who has remained celibate should be left alone.
Any priest who has encouraged others to indulge his urge to act out sexually with a member of the same sex should be shown the door, irrespective of whether that priest has done so himself.
239 posted on 05/21/2002 1:09:22 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Gophack;Polycarp
"I am 100% devoted to Jesus Christ, and 100% believe that the Catholic Church is the Church established by Him, and therefore the gates of Hades will not prevail."

I agree with you. I also believe that 'His Church' may, in the future, no longer be identified with Rome, but with Him.

That anti-traditionalist Catholic monk named Martin Luther tried to 'Reform' the Catholic Church back to Christ's teachings. Failing in convincing the 'church fathers', his continued 'protestings' got him associated with the 'Reformation' and those Protestant types.

The 'fellowship of believers' are known by their love, not their building or hierarchy.(i.e., Mother Theresa--having nothing and yet having everything, as compared to those who have everything and have nothing).

Blessings from your brother in 'His' church.

240 posted on 05/21/2002 1:11:55 PM PDT by d14truth
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