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US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?
O'Reilly, NY Post, The Diocese Report, others... ^

Posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:43 PM PDT by Polycarp

On Fox tonight O'Reilly said a cardinal is about to be outed as an active homosexual. Rumor has it Bishop Bruskiwiecz sent a letter telling this Cardinal to "resign, or else..."

NY POST: WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . . WHICH ranking priest of a major diocese predicted over a boozy dinner the other night that if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall"?


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To: Honcho Bongs
Cardinal Liberace - you forgot to add he's from the Las Vegas Diocheses.
121 posted on 05/20/2002 9:51:12 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: Polycarp
oooo...weell...I was going to bed....lol

I see you have a long reply on that thread as well.

122 posted on 05/20/2002 9:53:51 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: austinTparty
What all this boils down to, I suppose, is: gossip and idle speculation can cause some serious harm to those who don't deserve it.

I disagree. Please see my FReepmail to you. My purpose is far different from that which you suppose here.

123 posted on 05/20/2002 9:57:17 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: ben_j_jones
I'm not a Catholic, and I should keep my nose out of this. But you make a lot of sense there.

The only reason I would imagine Cardinal Law having for protecting the abusers in his establishment is the knowledge of what they could do to him if he hammers them.

Bubba proved it. Scorched earth deterrence works.

124 posted on 05/20/2002 10:09:17 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: sockmonkey
BTW, my Priest in San Antonio used to offer the Tridentine Mass at our 6PM Sunday Mass, but Archbishop Flores pulled the indult, so now he does the Novus Ordo in Latin.

That is amazing! Archbishop Flores is in direct disobedience to JP11. Even Cardinal Law has an indult Tridentine Mass (although only one for a huge Catholic population) here in the Archdiocese of Boston.

I wonder all the time why most Cardinals/Archbishops make it so hard to attend a worship service that is so beautiful and so timeless. I can't figure it out.

125 posted on 05/20/2002 10:11:37 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Polycarp
I vote for Cardinals Law and Egan. Besides, Shanley threated to reveal all the shenanigans going on in the refectory which "would make his indescretions look like nothing".
126 posted on 05/20/2002 10:38:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: goldenstategirl
Do you recall where Egan was before becoming Cardinal in New York? I thought he was close by but not in New York.

That's an easy one. Egan was in Boston as a protege of Cardinal Law. Cardinal Law suggested Egan as Cardinal of New York when the spot opened up. In fact, Law and Egan TOGETHER made most of the mistakes in the Boston archdiocese.

127 posted on 05/20/2002 10:50:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Polycarp
I'll bet on the Illegal aliens Cardinal, the helicoptor pilot, Mahoney.
128 posted on 05/20/2002 11:25:07 PM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: sinkspur
Ummm, let's see, we are talking about Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Nebraska (until promoted) who has not one but two new seminaries in his diocese pulling his seminarians from a seminary in Dallas. Why would he do that????? Let's give it a try!

There are a number of possibilities.

1. Dallas is the diocese which established the record in dollar payouts for the sexcapades of its many deviant clergy (Fr. Klass? in particular) that will soon be broken by Boston. This was not likely without a lavender friendly seminary.

2. I am guessing here: Is Dallas one of those dioceses with more churches resembling space stations than churches? That would be reason alone to withdraw genuine Catholic seminarians like those from Lincoln attracted by a bishop like Fabian Bruskewitz who, after all. are preparing for a priesthood of offering the holy SACRIFICE of the Mass, confecting the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity upon the altars of the Roman Catholic Church.

3. Perhaps (did I say perhaps?) Americanist heresies run rampant at the Dallas AmChurch Seminary? If so, you can't blame a ROMAN CATHOLIC bishop from helping his seminarians to avoid the near occasion of sin.

4. Perhaps, your informants are themselves deeply mired in the self-indulgence of AmChurch's lack of spiritual discipline and want more than anything else not to see the Church return to the United States in such dioceses as Dallas?

5. Perhaps, just perhaps, having established the seminary of St. Gregory the Great in his own diocese for his own diocesan priests and for the education of any actually Catholic seminarians (the norm nowadays unlike the recent past: just see the complaints of aging AmChurch seminary directors about how dogmatic and unpastoral, which is to say Catholic, these young whippersnappers truly are) which other actually Catholic bishops choose to send, he felt it was time to bring them home to Lincoln and not expose them to the fleshpots of what passes for CAtholicism in Dallas.

6. Maybe Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz has determined that his priests ought to be prepared to say the Tridentine Mass as well as the Novus Ordo so as to be able to serve all the churchgoing Catholics of Lincoln, Nebraska, according to their preferences for one or the other.

7. All of the above?

I assume that the Novus Ordo will certainly survive unless suppressed now that it had a couple of decades of suppression of the Mass of our ancestors (Tridentine) to give Novus Ordo a head start. I have posted before and will post again that both are valid and that I attend Novus Ordo masses as often as Tridentine.

BTW, I think Keeler of Baltimore is a very good possibility but whoever it is should resign, along with similarly inclined archbishops, bishops and priests and nuns and any and all who have covered up. Equal opportunity: liberal or conservative, powerful or otherwise. Appoint only hardliners to replace the bishops, archbishops and cardinals. There is no problem with Catholicism. It just hasn't been tried generally in the United States for a very long time. If obedience had been the norm and not the exception we would not be having a crisis over lavender priests abusing the boys they crave and the higher ups who have protected them.

Give Bruskewitz Boston and an immediate red hat and watch the restoration of Boston's Catholicism. Give the Kennedys and the other phony pseudoCatholics an archbishop to fear.

129 posted on 05/20/2002 11:30:08 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: MozartLover
fyi
130 posted on 05/20/2002 11:47:10 PM PDT by kayak
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To: katherineisgreat
I must say I'm ashamed to admit admit I bet it's my Cardinal, Keehler of Baltimore.

If so, then he will be known as Keehler the Kneeler!!! And I don't mean for prayer.

131 posted on 05/21/2002 12:02:51 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: sinkspur
As to the Omaha World-Herald article, which impertinently suggests that Archbishop Eldon Curtiss of Omaha, ought not to have verbally requested the resignation of this lay teacher at a Catholic school who reported that a priest in his archdiocese had TRIED but FAILED to download child porn off the internet, leading to the arrest of the priest by some overheated prosecutor named Joe Smith, there are several responses.

1. Isn't the Omaha World-Herald (talk about pretentious newspaper names) owned substantially by one Warren Buffett, prairie zillionaire investor who has announced his intentions to leave his considerable fortune to Planned Barrenhood? Probably not much of a moral conservative himself, don't you think? Probably not fond of a hard-core archbishop like Eldon Curtiss either. All press bias is not against Republicans or conservative politicians.

2. These are charges only and the gushy article suggests that ONLY because of belated reporting by this teacher (who is apparently the one and only witness: He said/she said) who does not claim to be a victim (why the belated reporting?) was the priest charged. The presumption of innocence attaches to the incredible charge of trying, mere trying mind you, to access some internet site or download its contents. [And to think, people used to complain about the Inquisition!]

3. The archbishop employs this teacher. Note he did not fire her, although he probably ought to since she is so upset that he is not compliant with her wishes, he merely asked twice that she resign. Is she trying to parley her charges against the priest (she said/he said) into lifetime employment on whatever terms she may care to dictate by threatening a civil lawsuit against her employer? As one more way of demonstrating he is in charge, Archbishop Curtiss ought to fire her outright and fire at will in any ensuing controversy. Also, note that Curtiss promptly removed the priest from contact with minors whether or not the charges are valid. If the charges were lies, the woman has done exactly as Curtiss said and destroyed the priest and without justification.

4. If there was justification for her charges, the archbishop has done what ought to be done. Whether this parochial school teacher told the truth or not, there may well be reasons to fire her entirely independent of any of this.

5. If the Omaha World-Herald would like to delve into such matters, it can investigate the subject matter of a book by a former state senator who served twenty years in the legislature of Nebraska who claimed upon leaving with a couple of others in agreement with him that there was a ring of prominentos in Omaha including a judge, a police official, a person involved with that newspaper, an FBI official, and various others and others (including Republicans) who forced male juveniles (street kids and delinquents) to rape one another and ultimately to kill one another with shotguns in the presence of the perverted lay adults in the mid-1980s and afterward. The book is called the Franklin County Coverup and Omaha is in Franklin County. Let them do some investigative reports on that sordid situation or might that not comport with the Buffett agenda?

Inquiring minds want to know.

132 posted on 05/21/2002 12:09:29 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: sinkspur
As you well know, the distinction between the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo is not merely the distinction between Latin and English but has also to do with the fact that the Tridentine Mass is ALWAYS a model of reverence which is, unfortunately, not always true at Novus Ordo (Hi, I'm Father Bob and I'll be your presider today, etc.). Are there also occasional trysts at the Dallas Seminary?
133 posted on 05/21/2002 12:15:27 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: Lazarus Long
My money is on Mahoney.

You bet!


134 posted on 05/21/2002 12:19:46 AM PDT by NYer
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To: goldenstategirl
Rev. Daoust, S.J., of the formerly Catholic Jesuits is worried that the Catholics are coming back.
135 posted on 05/21/2002 12:30:24 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: sinkspur
Please don't think my lack of response to your posting of that article yesterday was because the article was compelling. It was not. I just don't continue discussions wherein there is no moving a party. You are a "progressive"catholic,I am a "conservative". I do frequently comment on your posts when I think you have offered an opinion which I believe not to be based on enough facts to support it.

As it stands the priest in question has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor "attempt to (view or procure child porn)".He states he was researching it and had been since his seminary days at the Josephineum in Rome.Perhaps he was instrumental in ridding the member of a pornography ring from the faculty at St.Meinrads. I believe Archbishop Curtiss was one of the Bishops involved in the removal. FYIThe caliber of graduates of St. Meinrad has improved immeasurably since the purge. We have not had any "gay" priest ordained from there lately. That probably infuriated a lot of people as well as his article about the contrived priest shortage.

I do wish the Archbishop had a better PR staff,he does appear a little testy at times.

136 posted on 05/21/2002 12:31:49 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: The Iguana
You sure about that?
137 posted on 05/21/2002 1:07:54 AM PDT by freedom9
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To: glc1173@aol.com
quick, get back to the home cause you be ne sick puppy
138 posted on 05/21/2002 1:11:01 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: ELS
I think Law's predecessor in Boston was Cushing.

After Cushing and before Law, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros was Archbishop of Boston. Medeiros took over sometime between 1967 and 1973 (sorry I can't remember) and died in 1983.

139 posted on 05/21/2002 2:42:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: TheGrimReaper
Or just a goofy priest trying to be PC??

Was that the Jesuit associated with America he had on? Does that explain it?

140 posted on 05/21/2002 2:44:18 AM PDT by maryz
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