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Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Arguments/Pseudoscience.shtml ^

Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl

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To: medved
Speaking of that....
Where do you get off speaking for God? Where does it ever say in the Bible that God hates anyone? And none of your interpertations..I want an actual quote...
Oldcats
221 posted on 03/14/2002 5:29:50 AM PST by oldcats
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To: jennyp
You didn't have to do it over just for me!

BTW, am I your alter-ego or are you mine? Or are we both really Junior?

Maybe PH's Plato and medved's Splifford are really controlling us all.

222 posted on 03/14/2002 5:55:45 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: medved
You know, I was going to post the context of each and every quote you pulled out, but then I discovered that the resulting post would be way too long. I did, however, take the first few and put them in context to show how thoroughly dishonest you've become:

No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#4 in reply to cracker

It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?


>"As Pakicetus and Ambulocetus show."

Oh really? SHOW ME THE BONES!

Right here. Was that so hard? No. It wasn't.

29 posted on 2/20/02 9:51 AM Central by lexcorp

"Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#68

Followed by:

Now that the "proof" is right here for all to see, perhaps you can explain to us how the above prove the evolution of whales from a coyote!

87 posted on 2/20/02 9:49 PM Central by gore3000

As far as I can tell, I was simply making a prediction that came true.  It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?


""Now that the "proof" is right here for all to see, perhaps you can explain to us how the above prove the evolution of whales from a coyote! -me-

Did I call that one, or what? gore3000, I've got you figured out!"

You and your buddy put this article as proof of evolution. It is up to you to show how it does so.

What is the point in those bones? What is the proof given in that article?

The answer is:
"THE ARTICLE PROVES NOTHING AT ALL"

The evolutionists just put up a ton of links that they claim prove evolution but whenever I examine a link said to "prove" evolution it proves nothing at all.

118 posted on 2/21/02 7:32 AM Central by gore3000

You didn't even read the freakin' article, you dolt, or you wouldn't have made the inane comment about whales evolving from coyotes, or vice versa. Do you ever read any of the stuff we give you, or do you glance at the pretty pictures, decide that nothing's going to change your mind and then post inanities on these threads?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#143

Note that this is in response to the "whales evolved from coyotes" comment gore3000 made after glancing at a picture of a coyote skull being used as a scale for two whale skulls and blithely claimed that we said whales evolved from coyotes -- when the article itself made no such claim.  It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?


My theory has always been he's nothing more than a rather primitive computer algorythm.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#152

You got me on that one.  That came from frustration at gore3000's inability to process new data, instead claiming never to have seen the data in the first place.


So, your God is a trickster, hmmm? Interesting...

366 posted on 2/22/02 10:01 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by Junior

Do you think He would run his business like Las Vegas/chance-glitter...hollywood tinsel town---animal house...(evolution)?

Michaelangelo only signed the pieta because someone said a rock chopper did it...evolution is rock chopping---sand and dust!

The Bible says..."God's foolishness is more powerful than man's wisdom"...what wisdom-CLASS God has---

evolution has none...

wise men with elephant feces--afterbirth---yeah oracles!

Did you ever read about the last days of Leaky in California---beserk--sun-fossil stroke---pathetic!

Even the media couldn't believe it...raving delusional maniac!

374 posted on 2/22/02 2:53 PM Central by f.Christian

You are the only person I've met who suffered from Tourette's Syndrome of the keyboard.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#384

Considering the post I was replying to, you can see why I made the comment I did.  It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?


"The earliest known whales, Himalayacetus and Pakicetus are presently known only from cranial material<.b>, so they are not much help. However, the position of the inner ear bones in Pakicetus are a perfect intermediate between those of land mammals and the rotated ones of cetaceans (Thewissen & Hussain, 1993), not to mention the fact that the tympanic bullae are composed of dense bone as those of cetaceans (Gingerich, et al, 1983).

Before I say anything else, your link goes to a personal page which the author did not even bother to assign his name to. It also does not have any examples of bones showing any proof for what he mentions in the text.

Aside from that, we have a very real problem with this article and I am surprised you did not notice it. Look at the bolded words, look at the bottom picture in post#87. The statement is false. We indeed have a lot of bones from Pakicetus besides the cranium. Those bones show a four legged animal.

So there we go Junior, another article "proving" whales came from land animals that does not show any such thing.

Let me just say one more thing about this matter. DNA analysis has shown that whales are in no way related to hippos and have not shown them to be related to any known land animal. So much for evolutionist fantasies.

Face it, gore3000, your brain (or programming) has been trained to force a cognitive disassociation between the pariticulars of evidence and the sum total of evidence. You can't see the forest for the trees. You'll pick at individual pieces of evidence given you, but fail to understand the overall picture painted by the evidence coming in from dozens of scientific disciplines. And, you show an inherent inability to actually learn anything

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#632

It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?


The scientific definition of a mammal is that it has mammary glands.

Not quite. Milk production is part of the definition of mammal, but it also includes all the other stuff mentioned earlier (dentition -- a biggie, hair or fur, number of holes in the skull, warm-bloodedness, single lower mandible and differentiated ear bones, etc.)

Now, the first two, milk production and fur do not fossilize, but as the others are all found in mammals and they do fossilize -- and this combination is not found in any other class of animals -- any fossils exhibiting the complete collection of stuff that does fossilize and denotes mammal, can be assumed to be a mammal -- except by creationists who cannot see the forest for the trees and refuse to accept any evidence unless in the form of a living, breathing critter (and then they'd probably claim it was ginned up by geneticists in some secret laboratory to mislead good, God-fearing Christians in an effort to damn their souls to Hell).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#750

One of your more egregious examples of quote mining.  It's a bit different when taken in context, isn't it?

223 posted on 03/14/2002 6:08:07 AM PST by Junior
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To: azhenfud
I don't need to know how to perform surgery to understand its importance in medicine.

Then you would agree that the first part of the article was <euphemism> baloney </euphemism> ?

Perhaps you would also suggest to JediGirl that she stop using bandwidth for this <euphemism> nonsense </euphemism>.

224 posted on 03/14/2002 6:11:05 AM PST by Kyrie
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To: Kyrie
< euphemism> baloney < /euphemism>

First LOL I've seen in the whole thread!

Was anyone's mind changed? Did anyone see anything new?

225 posted on 03/14/2002 7:27:46 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
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To: medved
This is from The Creators words to the created... For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1 vs 20 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1 vs 22
226 posted on 03/14/2002 7:39:25 AM PST by conserv122
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To: oldcats;junior
simple courtsey is too strange of a concept for some to grasp.

I've chided G*r*3K for rudeness a couple of times.

227 posted on 03/14/2002 8:49:34 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Darth Reagan
...Noah got so many animals in one boat. With no evolution, I guess every species we have now was alive then...

Let's not forget the thermoacidophiles that live in Old Faithful, the eurypterids, and so forth.

228 posted on 03/14/2002 8:59:26 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: southland
Wonder why nothing is evolving now.

Sources, please.

229 posted on 03/14/2002 9:00:59 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: JediGirl
The name of that wwII plane that overshot the airport by 400 miles was---"lady be good"...

a sickening story to be told--lived---the dead---dying!

...isn't that what evolution is---animated earth-flesh---blindness---the spiritual dirt poor--trash---alienation/orphans?

Castaways---CAPTIVES/prisoners too!

230 posted on 03/14/2002 9:06:03 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: conserv122
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1 vs 20

I find this to be very confusing.

231 posted on 03/14/2002 9:29:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Virginia-American
Maybe if more of us stand up for common courtesy around here, it might help.
Thanx
Oldcats
232 posted on 03/14/2002 9:38:48 AM PST by oldcats
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To: f.Christian
(tapping you lightly on the shoulder)...
Um...excuse me, but what the heck was that all about??
Oldcats
233 posted on 03/14/2002 9:40:13 AM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
Evolution is a sign turned backwards(wrong-opposite direction)...an oasis/poisoned water hole!
234 posted on 03/14/2002 9:44:19 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
I find it confusin too, since Romans 1 vs 20 says "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen" KJV.
Oldcats
235 posted on 03/14/2002 9:50:23 AM PST by oldcats
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To: f.Christian
"Evolution is a sign turned backwards(wrong-opposite direction)...an oasis/poisoned water hole!"
Interesting analogies....care to explain them to the uninformed.
Oldcats
236 posted on 03/14/2002 9:52:35 AM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
"Obviously enough, the dispute here is ultimately ontological, or theological, or metaphysical; here we see the ontological and ultimately religious roots of epistemological discussions of rationality. What you take to be rational, at least in the sense in question, depends upon your metaphysical and religious stance. It depends upon your... philosophical anthropology. Your view as to what sort of creature a human being is will determine, in whole or in part, your views as to what is rational or irrational for human beings to believe; this view will determine what you take to be natural, or normal, or healthy, with respect to belief. So the dispute as to who is rational and who is irrational here can't be settled just by attending to epistemological considerations; it is fundamentally not an epistemological dispute, but an ontological or theological dispute. How can we tell what it is healthy for human beings to believe unless we know or have some idea about what sort of creature a human being is? If you think he is created by God in the image of God, and created with a natural tendency to see God's hand in the world about us, a natural tendency to recognize that he has been created and is beholden to his creator, owing his worship and allegiance, then of course you will not think of belief in God as a manifestation of wishful thinking or as any kind of defect at all. It is then much more like sense perception or memory, though in some ways much more important. On the other hand, if you think of a human being as the product of blind evolutionary forces, if you think there is no God and that human beings are part of a godless universe, then you will be inclined to accept a view according to which belief in God is a sort of disease or dysfunction, due perhaps, to a sort of softening of the brain."
237 posted on 03/14/2002 9:53:34 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: oldcats
My mistake...darn windows.....
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse" NIV
238 posted on 03/14/2002 9:58:41 AM PST by oldcats
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To: f.Christian
You seem to think that I am an athiest or at the least a non-believer. You are mistaken on both accounts. I do believe in God, and that He gave His son to die for us.
I see God's hand in everything sir....in fact I see God's hand in evolution.
I do believe in the word of God, but I do not take the writtings literally. You may disagrre with me on that..that is your right. But please don't lecture me nor try and convince me that I should think differently. I have prayed about this, and feel in my heart that I am right. Others may feel in their heart that they are right too. Perhaps God works in each ones heart differently?
Oldcats
239 posted on 03/14/2002 10:04:04 AM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
Amen, brother. About half the evolutionists on these threads are of the "theistic" variety.
240 posted on 03/14/2002 10:14:31 AM PST by Junior
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