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To: BMCDA
Well, maybe... But the problem I see here is the futility of this commandment. Someone who is not able to differentiate between good and evil cannot understand why disobeying is wrong. This was only possible after they ate the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil". So the fault is on him who made this tree accessible.

Not pretending to understand everything, I think that you are not apprehending correctly. The Scripture does reveal that both Adam and Eve knew that they should not do what they both did and that they knew, at least Adam did, exactly why they should not.

You cannot compare a 3 year old, who was born with a depraved and sinful nature, with Adam. Adam breathed in his first breath to behold the glory of God. He was fully matured in reasoning and posessed every single thing he needed to correctly choose from that moment.

Oh, even though Eve ate the apple first, it is beause of Adam that sin came into the world. Ponder that!

BTW, as God is considered almighty why didn't he just make... let's say a "watermelon of forgetting the knowledge of good and evil" and told Adam and Eve that it is very delicious and that they should try it?

As God is not only Almighty, but also all knowing, separating the end from the beginning and knowing all detail of every single person before a man's days were ordained, having fully fashioned all men and their days before there was a single one of them; why did God not simply create Adam differently?

But of course these stories (especially that of Adam and Eve) were made up to explain why reality is the way it is and not as it should be.

Sounds just like what I heard from my old Episcopal church. If you don't mind, do you claim to be saved and (if so) what kind of church do you attend?

498 posted on 01/04/2002 7:03:23 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Not pretending to understand everything, I think that you are not apprehending correctly. The Scripture does reveal that both Adam and Eve knew that they should not do what they both did and that they knew, at least Adam did, exactly why they should not.

I don't deny that they knew that they should not eat from that tree, I mean God himself told them not to do that but since they had not yet eaten from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" they could not know that it was evil to disobey. Furthermore he told Adam that he would die if he ate from that tree, but what the heck is death? How do you explain that to Adam before the fall? As far as I know death was only an issue after they were thrown out of paradise. How could they know what death is or even whether it was good or bad?

You cannot compare a 3 year old, who was born with a depraved and sinful nature, with Adam. Adam breathed in his first breath to behold the glory of God. He was fully matured in reasoning and posessed every single thing he needed to correctly choose from that moment.

Why not? In this aspect Adam and Eve were at least as inexperienced as a 3 year old. A toddler does not know that it is often bad not to follow the advice of your parents. They have to learn that first. The same with A&E: they did not know that disobeying God is bad. There was no way to learn that because they were allowed to do whatever they wanted except of course to eat from that particular tree. So they had not much opportunity to learn this lesson.

Oh, even though Eve ate the apple first, it is beause of Adam that sin came into the world. Ponder that!

Humm... Yeah, whatever you say.

As God is not only Almighty, but also all knowing, separating the end from the beginning and knowing all detail of every single person before a man's days were ordained, having fully fashioned all men and their days before there was a single one of them; why did God not simply create Adam differently?

I only can guess that God wanted this to happen. I mean why make an individual that can not discern between good and evil and therefore cannot know that it is bad not to follow an order and then place a tree (he is not allowed to eat from) in the garden that is easily accessible to him? IMO that's a really dirty trick.

Sounds just like what I heard from my old Episcopal church. If you don't mind, do you claim to be saved and (if so) what kind of church do you attend?

I don't claim to be saved (whatever that may be) and I don't attend any church. Y'know I'm one of those darn infidels ;->

563 posted on 01/04/2002 8:39:24 AM PST by BMCDA
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