To: PeterPrinciple
There is only ONE translation of the Bible.
The words are there for all to read and it’s amazing how so many people conjure up thoughts and side stories about what Scripture states.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. / After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Revelation 3:10
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
2 Peter 2:9
if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
Luke 21:36
So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Folks don’t believe it.
That’s their problem and it’s a big one too.
Thus, we get called all sorts of things for Believing The Lord and His Words.
11 posted on
03/01/2026 9:12:32 AM PST by
Roman_War_Criminal
(Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
To: Roman_War_Criminal; PeterPrinciple
Rwc, I've said before that these references are not supportive of the pre tribulation rapture:
- 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: Describes Christ's visible descent and gathering of believers after tribulation, as Jesus states: "Immediately after the tribulation... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect" (Matthew 24:29-31; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 at the last trumpet).
- Revelation 3:10: "Keep you from the hour of trial" means divine protection through trials, not removal: "I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one" (John 17:15; cf. Revelation 7:14: saints "coming out of the great tribulation").
- 2 Peter 2:9: God's rescue of the godly (e.g., Lot, Noah) often occurs amid trials, not before; believers must endure: "Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22; cf. John 16:33: "In the world you will have tribulation").
- Luke 21:36: Calls for prayerful vigilance to "escape" by standing firm, in context of Jerusalem's fall (Luke 21:20-24) and end-times signs (Luke 21:25-28), not a secret rapture; "escape" means spiritual preservation: "Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation" (Matthew 26:41).
- 1 Thessalonians 5:9: "Not appointed to wrath" refers to final judgment (Romans 2:5-8; 5:9), not earthly tribulation; the Church faces trials but is saved through Christ: "We who are alive... will be caught up together" after the dead rise (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), post-apostasy and man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).
Scripture teaches one visible return (Acts 1:11; Revelation 1:7), with endurance until then (Matthew 24:13; Revelation 14:12). Let us "encourage one another and build one another up" (1 Thessalonians 5:11) in hope.
14 posted on
03/01/2026 10:20:31 AM PST by
Cronos
To: Roman_War_Criminal
16 posted on
03/01/2026 11:03:24 AM PST by
faucetman
(Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
To: Roman_War_Criminal
In the 1 Thessalonians 5:9 passage, does that mean temporal wrath, eternal wrath, or both?
I would think that we would agree that it does mean eternal wrath, but whether it means temporal wrath is open to interpretation. After all,
Romans 8:17 (KJV) [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
And
Matthew 24:21-22 (KJV) [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
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