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2 Timothy 4:8
Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Maranatha!

[Theophilus]

Psalm 90:10
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[Terry L Smith]

I was of the group who were influenced by that Hal Lindsey movie. I bought that huge coffee table book that Hagee had used in his railings. Now with Lindsey’s umpteenth revision of the same book, I question the entire validity of his theory.Something about false prophets and stones ..

I am at the point,” I will see it, when I see it..”
I have been waiting this long for this Iran business, finally, so I use the same axiom with this discussed item.

[PeterPrinciple]

Number two, the early Church did believe that Christians would be rescued before the Tribulation.

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There is indication that is true. There are ALSO verses saying some will suffer through the event.

Our small minds think it is one or the other. Eyes focus on just one verse not the whole Bible.

So.............................I suggest both are true.

[Cronos]

“Rapture...right after COVID-19 vaccinations and the Harry Potter books”

Tge pre tribulation rapture is like Harry Potter, fiction

[Cronos]

The article claims the Rapture is an imminent, signless event removing the Church before Tribulation, citing John 14:1-6 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

However, Scripture places the gathering of the elect after tribulation: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect" (Matthew 24:29-31; cf. Mark 13:24-27). Paul links our gathering to the revelation of the man of lawlessness: "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him... that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed" (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3).

The transformation occurs at the last trumpet: "In a moment... at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable" (1 Corinthians 15:51-52; cf. Revelation 11:15-18).

[Cronos]

The article claims the Rapture is a separate event from the second coming

Scripture describes one visible return: "This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11); "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him" (Revelation 1:7; cf. Matthew 24:27: "As the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man").

No "two-stage" return is taught.

[Cronos]

The article then claims John 14 as a pre-trib Rapture promise, but the context is Christ's departure via crucifixion and ascension, preparing places through His redemptive work (John 14:2-3; cf. Ephesians 2:6: Seated with Him in heavenly places now). "Coming again" aligns with the final return (John 14:3; cf. John 21:22-23: Disciples misunderstood as immediate), not a secret event.

[Cronos]

ok, and finally, a historical lie in the article. Dispensationalists often cite Irenaeus' Against Heresies (c. 180 AD) as evidence for pre-trib views, particularly Book 5, Chapter 29.1: "And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, 'There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be' (Matthew 24:21). For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption." They interpret "caught up from this" as a pre-trib escape. However, context debunks this: "this" refers to the tribulation just described, and Irenaeus calls it the "last contest of the righteous"—implying endurance and victory through it, not evasion. He explicitly places the resurrection (tied to the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) after the Antichrist's reign: "The resurrection of the just... takes place after the coming of Antichrist, and the destruction of all nations under his rule" (Against Heresies 5.35.1). Believers must recognize and avoid the Antichrist (5.30.3-4), and he warns the Church will be "put to flight" by him (5.26.1). Irenaeus was historic premillennial: Antichrist persecutes saints during tribulation, then Christ returns visibly to destroy him, resurrect the just, and inaugurate the millennium (5.28-35). Scholars like Alan Kurschner note Irenaeus' sequence is decisively post-tribulational, with no pre-trib "partial rapture" for "spiritual" Christians (a strained reading by some like Michael Svigel). As a disciple of Polycarp (John's student), Irenaeus reflects apostolic teaching of endurance, not escapism.

Then the article references a sermon attributed to Ephrem (or "Pseudo-Ephrem"), "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World" (dated variably 373-627 AD, but likely 6th-7th century pseudepigrapha, not the authentic 4th-century Ephrem). Pre-trib advocates like Grant Jeffrey cite: "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." Yet the full sermon describes saints enduring Antichrist's persecution: "Lawlessness will abound... The saints will be handed over to him [Antichrist]... He will afflict the saints of the Most High" (sections 2-8). "Gathered prior" refers to death as escape (like Enoch/Elijah analogies), not a Rapture; the author urges readiness for martyrdom amid tribulation. Scholars like Paul Alexander note Byzantine apocalypses focused on enduring tribulation, not escaping it; the text is post-trib or mid-trib at best. Authentic Ephrem was historic premillennial, expecting tribulation for the Church

Early fathers like Papias (c. 60–130 AD), Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD), and Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD) were premillennial: Christ returns visibly to defeat Antichrist, resurrect saints, and reign 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6; Justin's Dialogue with Trypho 80: rebuilt Jerusalem for millennium; Irenaeus AH 5.32-35: saints inherit earth after tribulation). Yet they emphasized endurance: Justin admitted not all Christians were premil (Dialogue 80); Tertullian saw tribulation purifying the Church (On the Resurrection of the Flesh 25); no pre-trib escape—saints face Antichrist (Revelation 13:7; Daniel 7:25). Shift to amillennialism with Origen (allegorical method) and Augustine (City of God c. 430 AD: millennium as Church age from Pentecost to return) marginalized premil until the Reformation. No dispensational pre-trib; one people of God (Ephesians 2:11-22)

[unlearner]

“But the more I've studied it, the more I have come to realize that it is one of the first mentions or intimations of the glorious Blessed Hope of the Church—Jesus’ promise of the imminent, signless rapture of the Church—in the New Testament.”

If the rapture was signless it would be impossible to watch for it or know when to expect it. But this is inconsistent with the commands to watch for His coming.

In the Olivet Discourse, and at other times, Christ told His disciples to watch. See Matthew 24:42-44, 25:13, Mark 13:32-37, Luke 12:40 and 21:36.

Likewise, in the context of teaching about the rapture, Paul says to watch:

1 Thessalonians 5:6 NKJV
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

Further, as Christ frequently connects His return, along with the Day of the Lord, with “coming as a thief”, we are warned of the consequences of not watching:

Revelation 3:2-3 NKJV
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Because the Day of the Lord/Christ's second coming will be “like a thief”, we MUST watch for the signs so that we will know when it is about to occur. This would be impossible without the signs of His coming that He gave us. It will not be at “any moment” but at the “appointed time”. See Daniel 8:19. “The End” Daniel speaks of is what the disciples asked Christ about in connection with His second coming. They wanted to know when. He gave them (and us) the signs to watch for.

Matthew 24:33 NKJV
So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

Christ return is imminent in the sense of being certain even now, but it is imminent in the sense of “any moment” ONLY when ALL of the signs have come to pass. It is ONLY the generation that sees ALL of the signs that can know his return is about to happen. EVERY generation of believers is awaiting the return of Christ for us. And all of us, whether dead or alive, will be forever with Christ when He comes again. That is the Blessed Hope and His glorious appearing when every eye will see Him. This is what we are watching for:

Titus 2:13 NKJV
Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Furthermore, not knowing the signs of His coming puts believers in danger. The signs of His coming include specific events or details for which we must prepare ourselves, such as persecution, the mark of the beast, and the abomination of desolation in which the Antichrist will be revealed (and which is a prerequisite before the Day of the Lord according to 2 Thessalonians 2). Warnings that the Christian church will go through apostasy and Christians will betray Christians to prison and death carry with them practical guidance in navigating the “dangerous times” characteristic of the last days.

[PerConPat]

Btt

[Philsworld]

The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? Samuel Prideaux Tregelles. March 17, 1864.

“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET rapture of the Church at a SECRET coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether anyone ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin.

“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”

“It is said that there shall be a SECRET coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this SECRET coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a SECRET rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this SECRET coming and SECRET rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”

“It is said that after this SECRET removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”

“This is the doctrine of the SECRET coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”

“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”

The origins of the false pre-trib rapture theory come directly from the Jesuits and futurism. It is historical DOCUMENTED fact. It later morphed into what it is today, with the help of the likes of John Nelson Darby (and others). It was, and still is Jesuit counter reformation disinformation.

Francisco Ribera (Jesuit)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit)
Michael Walpole (Jesuit)
Manuel De Lacunza (Jesuit)
Edward Irving
Margaret McDonald (ecstatic utterances)
Samuel Roffey Maitland
James H. Todd
John Henry Newman
John Nelson Darby
Arno C. Gaebelein
Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
Samuel Untermeyer
Lewis Sperry Chafer

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/antichrist.htm