Comfort Or Controversy?: Understanding The Rapture, The Debate, And The Choice That Defines Eternity

Harbingers Daily ^ | 2/27/26 | Skip Heitzig

[Roman_War_Criminal]

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2 Timothy 4:8
Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Maranatha!

[Theophilus]

Psalm 90:10
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[Terry L Smith]

I was of the group who were influenced by that Hal Lindsey movie. I bought that huge coffee table book that Hagee had used in his railings. Now with Lindsey’s umpteenth revision of the same book, I question the entire validity of his theory.Something about false prophets and stones ..

I am at the point,” I will see it, when I see it..”
I have been waiting this long for this Iran business, finally, so I use the same axiom with this discussed item.

[PeterPrinciple]

Number two, the early Church did believe that Christians would be rescued before the Tribulation.

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There is indication that is true. There are ALSO verses saying some will suffer through the event.

Our small minds think it is one or the other. Eyes focus on just one verse not the whole Bible.

So.............................I suggest both are true.

[Cronos]

“Rapture...right after COVID-19 vaccinations and the Harry Potter books”

Tge pre tribulation rapture is like Harry Potter, fiction

[Cronos]

The article claims the Rapture is an imminent, signless event removing the Church before Tribulation, citing John 14:1-6 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

However, Scripture places the gathering of the elect after tribulation: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect" (Matthew 24:29-31; cf. Mark 13:24-27). Paul links our gathering to the revelation of the man of lawlessness: "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him... that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed" (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3).

The transformation occurs at the last trumpet: "In a moment... at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable" (1 Corinthians 15:51-52; cf. Revelation 11:15-18).

[Cronos]

The article claims the Rapture is a separate event from the second coming

Scripture describes one visible return: "This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11); "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him" (Revelation 1:7; cf. Matthew 24:27: "As the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man").

No "two-stage" return is taught.

[Cronos]

The article then claims John 14 as a pre-trib Rapture promise, but the context is Christ's departure via crucifixion and ascension, preparing places through His redemptive work (John 14:2-3; cf. Ephesians 2:6: Seated with Him in heavenly places now). "Coming again" aligns with the final return (John 14:3; cf. John 21:22-23: Disciples misunderstood as immediate), not a secret event.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

There is only ONE translation of the Bible.

The words are there for all to read and it’s amazing how so many people conjure up thoughts and side stories about what Scripture states.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. / After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Revelation 3:10
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

2 Peter 2:9
if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

Luke 21:36
So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Folks don’t believe it.
That’s their problem and it’s a big one too.

Thus, we get called all sorts of things for Believing The Lord and His Words.

[Cronos]

ok, and finally, a historical lie in the article. Dispensationalists often cite Irenaeus' Against Heresies (c. 180 AD) as evidence for pre-trib views, particularly Book 5, Chapter 29.1: "And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, 'There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be' (Matthew 24:21). For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption." They interpret "caught up from this" as a pre-trib escape. However, context debunks this: "this" refers to the tribulation just described, and Irenaeus calls it the "last contest of the righteous"—implying endurance and victory through it, not evasion. He explicitly places the resurrection (tied to the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) after the Antichrist's reign: "The resurrection of the just... takes place after the coming of Antichrist, and the destruction of all nations under his rule" (Against Heresies 5.35.1). Believers must recognize and avoid the Antichrist (5.30.3-4), and he warns the Church will be "put to flight" by him (5.26.1). Irenaeus was historic premillennial: Antichrist persecutes saints during tribulation, then Christ returns visibly to destroy him, resurrect the just, and inaugurate the millennium (5.28-35). Scholars like Alan Kurschner note Irenaeus' sequence is decisively post-tribulational, with no pre-trib "partial rapture" for "spiritual" Christians (a strained reading by some like Michael Svigel). As a disciple of Polycarp (John's student), Irenaeus reflects apostolic teaching of endurance, not escapism.

Then the article references a sermon attributed to Ephrem (or "Pseudo-Ephrem"), "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World" (dated variably 373-627 AD, but likely 6th-7th century pseudepigrapha, not the authentic 4th-century Ephrem). Pre-trib advocates like Grant Jeffrey cite: "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." Yet the full sermon describes saints enduring Antichrist's persecution: "Lawlessness will abound... The saints will be handed over to him [Antichrist]... He will afflict the saints of the Most High" (sections 2-8). "Gathered prior" refers to death as escape (like Enoch/Elijah analogies), not a Rapture; the author urges readiness for martyrdom amid tribulation. Scholars like Paul Alexander note Byzantine apocalypses focused on enduring tribulation, not escaping it; the text is post-trib or mid-trib at best. Authentic Ephrem was historic premillennial, expecting tribulation for the Church

Early fathers like Papias (c. 60–130 AD), Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD), and Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD) were premillennial: Christ returns visibly to defeat Antichrist, resurrect saints, and reign 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6; Justin's Dialogue with Trypho 80: rebuilt Jerusalem for millennium; Irenaeus AH 5.32-35: saints inherit earth after tribulation). Yet they emphasized endurance: Justin admitted not all Christians were premil (Dialogue 80); Tertullian saw tribulation purifying the Church (On the Resurrection of the Flesh 25); no pre-trib escape—saints face Antichrist (Revelation 13:7; Daniel 7:25). Shift to amillennialism with Origen (allegorical method) and Augustine (City of God c. 430 AD: millennium as Church age from Pentecost to return) marginalized premil until the Reformation. No dispensational pre-trib; one people of God (Ephesians 2:11-22)

[PeterPrinciple]

As I mentioned, there are references to many things. God’s word does not contradict so we can conclude we don’t know for sure .

But what is the real message we should focus on?

The repeated message of the whole Bible is repent and turn to God.

In Revelation there are angels repeating this message often. People would rather have rocks and mountains fall on them than repent. That is the point of the end of days. God even then is giving a last chance. That is the message we should focus on.

[Cronos]

Rwc, I've said before that these references are not supportive of the pre tribulation rapture:

• 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: Describes Christ's visible descent and gathering of believers after tribulation, as Jesus states: "Immediately after the tribulation... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect" (Matthew 24:29-31; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 at the last trumpet).
  
  
• Revelation 3:10: "Keep you from the hour of trial" means divine protection through trials, not removal: "I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one" (John 17:15; cf. Revelation 7:14: saints "coming out of the great tribulation").
  
  
• 2 Peter 2:9: God's rescue of the godly (e.g., Lot, Noah) often occurs amid trials, not before; believers must endure: "Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22; cf. John 16:33: "In the world you will have tribulation").
  
  
• Luke 21:36: Calls for prayerful vigilance to "escape" by standing firm, in context of Jerusalem's fall (Luke 21:20-24) and end-times signs (Luke 21:25-28), not a secret rapture; "escape" means spiritual preservation: "Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation" (Matthew 26:41).
  
  
• 1 Thessalonians 5:9: "Not appointed to wrath" refers to final judgment (Romans 2:5-8; 5:9), not earthly tribulation; the Church faces trials but is saved through Christ: "We who are alive... will be caught up together" after the dead rise (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), post-apostasy and man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).

Scripture teaches one visible return (Acts 1:11; Revelation 1:7), with endurance until then (Matthew 24:13; Revelation 14:12). Let us "encourage one another and build one another up" (1 Thessalonians 5:11) in hope.

[Cronos]

Peter, the rejection of “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” and dispensationalism isn’t just a technical debate; it’s about maintaining the integrity of the Gospel:

1. Dispensationalism suggests God has two separate plans: one for Israel and one for the Church. This is false as there is only one People of God, and the Old Covenant is fulfilled—not replaced or sidelined—by the New Covenant in Christ.

2. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture essentially invents a “secret” coming of Christ before his final Glorious Return. This contradicts what Jesus taught us that we are to endure to the end for His sake

[faucetman]

YES! What you said!

[Roman_War_Criminal]

👍

Amazing how many cannot read or comprehend.
If The Holy Spirit doesn’t move one’s heart, they cannot understand - thus the pushback.

God Bless FRiend!

[thepoodlebites]

No “two-stage” return is taught.
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Agreed. I’m post-trib, mostly.

I had an inspired reply with scripture references but didn’t get posted. I previewed it and posted, but doesn’t show up. Are the Preterists in charge of moderation on this thread? The Preterists are wrong, they are the flat earthers of eschatology.

[Cronos]

What is a preterist?

[Roman_War_Criminal]

A simple reading of Matthew 24, especially towards the end suggests (39-42) two returns.

As for your suggestion about Preterists... Well you just responded to one.