Posted on 11/06/2025 12:17:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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BLASPHEMER
THE CHURCH
That is the body of believers
We have never been ‘enemies’ of the mother of Jesus
such silly chatter
He’s actually speaking against the catechism or parsing words too carefully for me to read on the phone.
Like turning out the lights in the basement, the roaches come crawling out.
To start many people do not understand there were four people created without sin. Two were Adam and Eve, the third was the Virgin Mary, a grace afforded to her for to being the Christ bearer and the fourth Christ himself,
I prefer the title Mediatrix of All Grace since it is less confusing and also correctly orders the hierarchy in heaven. For heaven is not a flat governing structure and the blessed mother is the one through who salvation came into the world.
The problem I have with Co-Redemptrix is that due to language limitations it appears to suggest and equality between Jesus and Mary. Yes you could explain to everyone the correct meaning but why cause the confusion when there are other ways to honor our heavenly mother.
The Western and Eastern church still have issues with the word “and” when emphasizing the Trinitarian nature of God even though choosing the word “through” may have been a better descriptor for understanding and less divisive.
Mary was not created without sin; she needed a Savior just like every other sinner. Even she knew that.
Pope Leo only criticized, “co-redemptrix,” correct? To me the obvious problem is that “co” usually suggests an equality. (Although the “co-mingling” of a single drop of water in a chalice of wine, suggests this isn’t how it’s understood by the Church, in general one says “co-president” precisely to suggest that the unelected president would have their full share of authority and responsibility.) Contrarily, “mediatrix of all grace” is true precisely because all grace comes through Christ, whom she is the mediatrix for. Your TULIP types should even appreciate that.
Catholics...all you can do is walk away shaking your head.
“To start many people do not understand there were four people created without sin.”
Only one was/is sinless.
His name is Jesus Christ.
And Acts 4:12 says salvation is through Christ alone:
““And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.””
Acts 4:12 ESV
“Catholics...all you can do is walk away shaking your head.”
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Until the Inquisition cranks up again.
68 million and counting.
Look up their favored methods of torture and death.
Christ Himself ...
WAS NOT CREATED. THAT IS ARIANISM. IT IS HERESY. IT IS ANATHEMAN.
"... begotten, not made, consubstantial with The Father ..."
"In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God ..."
"Amen I say to you, before Abraham was I AM ..."
Jesus Christ is not a creature.
Jesus Christ is not a human person, He is a Divine Person ... one of three.
He is without sin because HE IS GOD.
Wrong.
Christ is fully God and fully man.
Of course. Ever look up the real death toll of the inquisition?
Now compare it to the estimated population of Europe at that time.
Now use logic and reason to realize that number is a stone cold lie.
Pagan Emperor Constantine I’s capture of the Christian Church is the worst thing that could have happened. The State took control of the Church, appointed Bishops, decided doctrine. The ante nicene fathers did not believe Mary was co-redemptrix, nor did the Disciples/Apostles
Be very careful here, lest you fall into heresy.
Was Jesus, The Son, created? NO!!!!! God Forbid!!! That is damnable heresy. Jesus is “I AM”.
Is Jesus, The Son, a human person? NO!!!! God Forbid!!! He is a Divine person. Jesus is “The Word” who “became flesh and dwelt among us”. He is GOD.
Are you saying the Holy Spirit was mistaken when He inspired John the Evangelist to write as he did and I quoted above? God forbid that you should say such a thing.
Jesus’ human nature was created, as are all human natures. His Divine person, and His Divine nature are not created.
You dare to call me “wrong”, but you didn’t understand a thing I wrote.
What a false claim to salvation could only come about if Mary agreed.
As IF His plan would have been thwarted.
Note the use of the word always.
This is another false claim of Roman Catholicism.
Why can we say that with assurance? No NT writer wrote about this....hence, the saints haven't "always" taught this.
Further, Romans have said this departs too far from Scripture.
Another Marian claim that does not have "unanimous consent".
Shocker.
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