Posted on 08/08/2025 3:48:54 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
So do you REALLY think that the Church that set the canon of scripture and has safeguarded the scriptures for over 2000 years, and whose religious spent their lifetimes copying Scripture by hand to make sure not a single letter was out of place got translations wrong?
Or is it more likely that those with an agenda and who cut parts out of the Bible that disagreed with their theology made the errors, especially without a magisterium to guide them?
Think about it.
The fruits of the Protestant rebellion have been division, disunity and confusion. The only thing y’all can agree upon is that you think the Catholic Church is wrong.
That says exactly who you the sons of Luther are.
Yeah - them Catholics sure make sense to a Mormon.
Who's stopping you?
Expound away!
Well, I guess I could admit that, but why should ALL of us be wrong?
Yes, as elaborated (though if your church taught otherwise so would you), while actual believers presently possess eternal life, and will never be lost as such unto reprobation, which God chastens wayward believers against, (1 Co. 11:32 yet the Bible warns believers as believers, against resisting God, forsaking the faith, departing from Him, drawing back unto perdition, going back into bondage, falling from grace, making Christ to be of no profit, of no salvific effect. (2 Chron.15:2 (cf. 2 Chron. 14:2-5, 15:12); 2 Chron. 16:1-12; Ezek. 33:13, 18; John 15:6; Rom. 8:13; Rom. 11:20-22; 1 Cor. 9:27; 1 Cor. 11:29-32; 1 Cor. 15:2; 2 Co. 6:1; Gal. 3:2, 3; Gal. 4:7-9; Gal. 5:1-4; 1 Thes. 3:2-5 (cf. 1 Thessalonians 2:13); 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Heb. 3:1, 12; Heb. 6:1-8 (cf. 2 Pt. 2:15-22; Prov.29:1); Heb. 10:25-39; James 4:5, 5; James 5:19-20; 2 Pt. 1:1-10; 1 Jn. 5:16;
However, the first problem with most professed Christians and Catholics (esp. those who imagine the act of baptism itself made them Christians, and treated as such henceforth) is that they never had salvation because they never were spiritually born of the Spirit (Jn. 3:2-7) by effectual penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating, justifying faith (Acts 10:43-47, 15:7-9; Titus 3:5) in the Risen Divine Son of God (http://peacebyjesus.net/deityofchrist.html) and Lord of all, (Acts 10:43-47, 15:7-9) Jesus the Christ , sent be the Father to be the Savior of the world, (1 Jn. 4:14) who saves sinners by His sinless shed blood. And which faith is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and is shown in baptism and following the Lord, (Acts 2:38-47; Jn. 10:27, 28) manifesting fruits which accompany salvation, (Heb. 6:9, 10) including repentance when convicted of not obeying their Lord. (2 Samuel 12:7-13; Psalms 32:3-6, 51:3; Hosea 5:15; 1 Jn. 1:8-10; 2 Corinthians 7:9-10; James 5:19-20) And whom such shall go to be with at death or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Glory and thanks be to God. In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. thereby forfeiting what faith obtained. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12, 10:25-39)
I did not realize I was responding to an old post on a deceased thread, with my usual copy and paste. Moving on.
Not dead yet, but definitely Methusalistic.
Mark17 “there isn’t a works based”
Just as the Apostolic belief isn’t works based despite the false claims by non-Catholics.
Hebrews shows faith as active, but Hebrews doesn’t give you “faith alone” (that is non-Biblical); it weaves faith with sacramental and persevering elements for full salvation:
- Eucharist: Faith accesses Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Heb 10:10-14), but we must “draw near with sincere hearts” through His blood and flesh as the veil (Heb 10:19-22), urging assembly for this covenant meal (v. 25; cf. Heb 9:11-14 on blood cleansing consciences for worship).
- Baptism: Faith begins with “repentance from dead works and faith in God, instruction about baptisms” (Heb 6:1-2), symbolized in “hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and bodies washed with pure water” (Heb 10:22)—initiating us into Christ’s priesthood.
- Repentance: Faith requires turning from sin, as warnings against apostasy show: those enlightened who fall away cannot repent anew (Heb 6:4-6), and willful sin post-knowledge invites judgment (Heb 10:26-31)—calling for ongoing conversion.
- Endurance to the end: Faith must persevere amid trials (Heb 10:32-36), “holding firmly till the end” to share in Christ (Heb 3:14), running the race with endurance (Heb 12:1-3), lest we drift away (Heb 2:1) or harden hearts (Heb 3:12-13).
Hebrews demands living faith—sustained by grace, sacraments, repentance, and endurance—not isolated belief. Your “gotcha” misses the letter’s holistic call to fidelity in Christ.
Mark17 - see, the letter to the Hebrews says that the Eucharist is the key central point of our worship of God and that it IS His Body.
daniel1212 “I did not realize I was responding to an old post on a deceased thread, with my usual copy and paste. “
So you admit that yours is the “usual copy and paste”....
While Rome GIVES you: "Mother of GOD" (which is non-biblical)
( And it uses invisible ink to do it!!)
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith .
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]
32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
39 These were all commended for their faith , yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
Sure it is.
I do!
Someday I pray they’ll get through thick skulls.
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