Posted on 06/09/2025 8:49:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Islam is conquering Europe, sexual deviants are grooming our children and grandchildren, a pagan Pope prayed to Pachamama; and we’re supposed to be worried about this?
As far as I am concerned, the core of religious belief is that God created us. God created the entire universe. Jesus came to redeem our sins. Jesus died and then rose 3 days later. Lots of other stuff too.
None of this "makes sense". None of this "follows science". You either believe all of it, or you believe none of it. What? You have some partial belief, that, yeah, I suppose some of this might be true, but, heck, even God couldn't do this piece? Ummmmmmmmmmm. He's God, remember?
I just can't picture anyone with incomplete faith actually working as a pastor. Wouldn't you feel like a complete fraud?
RE: a pagan Pope prayed to Pachamama
When did that happen?
The Scriptures are 100% literal
Adam and Eve were absolutely real.
That Old Serpent 🐍 called
the Devil and Satan
(Revelation 12) was there too.
Now in Galatians the Apostle Paul gave an allegory, but clearly defined it as such (for example)
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) evidence indicates the existence of “Eve,” i.e., one individual woman whom all living humans are descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers. Whether that gal was in the business of chatting with serpents and passing around apples... your guess is as good as mine.
Bottom line is religion keeps people in check. It gives us hope. It gives us peace during difficult times. If the stories aren’t 100 percent accurate, who cares. The goal is to live a good life with hopes of getting to heaven.
Human beings are imperfect, even faithful religious ones.
Ditto, it’s become an academic exercise where human understanding rules. It’s no longer based on an immovable rock but the shifting sands of humanism.
Time to rebuild the foundation of our faith and be salt and light.
It’s disturbing to read for all the money congregents give to build the next generation for the cause of Christ,church leadership neglected to check if the youth pastors believed the Word of God.
It appears most youth groups are religious YMCAs (which has fallen away too).
Time to rebuild the foundation of our faith and be salt and light.
It’s disturbing to read for all the money congregents give to build the next generation for the cause of Christ,church leadership neglected to check if the youth pastors believed the Word of God.
It appears most youth groups are religious YMCAs (which has fallen away too).
Depends on your definition of adam and eve. Father Robert Spitzer, for example, has pointed out that homo sapiens did not start showing advanced forms of thinking until around 75,000 years ago although humans are much older than that. He theorizes that the sudden burst of thinking might mean that around that time God intervened into a man and woman and gave them true full sapience, so in a sense God turned them into the first “man and woman” although they were not the first homo sapiens.
I used to profess a literal belief in most stories of the Bible, mainly with the New Testament. In my family, at my parochial school, to say anything else then, would have been considered as blasphemous at worst, a venial sin at most minor.
Now, I think many of the stories were told in a metaphoric sense, while others were truly meant to be interpreted as a literal event. Most are a matter of historic fact, especially the wars, and how people survived through droughts and tribal challenges. It is the overall lesson that we are meant to ponder and learn from.
I was raised as Catholic, and within my soul, I always will be, whether I go to Church or not. That is my belief.
Time to rebuild the foundation of our faith and be salt and light.
It’s disturbing to read for all the money congregents give to build the next generation for the cause of Christ, the majority of church leadership neglected to check if the youth pastors believed the Word of God.
It appears most youth groups are religious YMCAs (which has fallen away too).
THIS!!
I'd like info on the questions in the survey. For example, look at the graph below from the article. Is the "believe with doubts" option referring to sometimes feeling frustrated that God isn't answering prayers, with an every once in a blue moon doubt of God's existence while going through hard times? If that's what's meant by "believe with doubts" then I'll cut even pastors some slack for not having Jesus-level perfect faith. But if "believe with doubts" means that on an average day you're only 70% certain God exists, then I agree with you that this is horrible.
Well, it looks like these priests and pastors are also required logically to believe that Jesus Christ was wrong then ( and if He is, then He can’t be God in the flesh can he? Unless they also want to believe that God can make mistakes).
Jesus referenced Adam and Eve in ways that suggest he regarded them as real historical figures. In Matthew 19:4-6, he affirmed the Genesis account of their creation, saying, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female?” He used this reference to establish the foundation of marriage, implying that Adam and Eve were actual individuals.
Additionally, in Luke 3:38, Adam is listed in Jesus’ genealogy, tracing his lineage back to the first man. This suggests that the Gospel writers understood Adam as a historical person rather than a symbolic figure.
The broader theological tradition of BOTH Catholics and Protestants also supports this view.
Paul, in Romans 5:12-19 and 1 Corinthians 15:21-22, contrasts Adam with Christ, treating Adam’s sin as a real event that affected humanity, just as Christ’s redemption does.
If Adam and Eve were not historical figures, it would significantly impact several core doctrines of Christian theology, particularly original sin, redemption, and the necessity of Christ’s atonement.
So, all Christianity becomes is a religion just like any other — Just be a good person.
So? Not important. Faith in a Christian God does not require belief in these stories.

I don't understand the logic here. In this scenario, who created the original benighted homo sapiens? Was God not capable of imparting advanced thinking on those original people? It seems like a convoluted effort to bend theology to conform with the current interpretation of a fragmentary fossil record.
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