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Old Latin Mass is too elaborate, says Pope’s ‘enforcer’ cardinal
The Times of London ^ | March 9, 2019 | Kaya Burgess

Posted on 03/10/2025 11:24:54 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie

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Deceptive advertising. In common parlance, "Latin mass" is shorthand for the Tridentine Mass celebrated in Latin. Performing a Novus Ordo service in Latin is not a Latin Mass.

1 posted on 03/10/2025 11:24:54 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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I know little about Catholicism but I have attended a full blown Catholic wedding......thank goodness there was an elaborate reception afterwards complete with open bar......that ceremony was a workout!


2 posted on 03/10/2025 11:28:42 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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LOL
I’m all for elaborate wedding receptions with open bar. We need more of those!


3 posted on 03/10/2025 11:31:16 AM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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Performing a Novus Ordo service in Latin is not a Latin Mass.

My TLM monsignor would heartily agree with you!

4 posted on 03/10/2025 11:31:41 AM PDT by mgstarr ("I drink, therefore I am" Rene Descartes (1637))
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To: Deo volente

Trust me......I EARNED IT. 😏


5 posted on 03/10/2025 11:32:59 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Deo volente

Seems the Latin Mass should be elaborate. It is a celebration of the most elaborate ceremony known to mankind; “The Transubstantiation”.


6 posted on 03/10/2025 11:38:11 AM PDT by chopperk (airhig)
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I’m all for elaborate wedding receptions with open bar. We need more of those!

Reason #236 why I'm a Catholic.

7 posted on 03/10/2025 11:40:00 AM PDT by PGR88
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Amen! If we could get even a minimal glimpse of the multitude of angels celebrating bread becoming the body of Christ along with us we would die not of fright, but of overwhelming joy.
Anything that adds weigh to this miracle on our part should be celebrated,


8 posted on 03/10/2025 11:47:06 AM PDT by SavannahWonderer (First do no harm)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I’ve been hearing about this from older relatives and parents since I was a kid. Many of them grew up going to Latin Mass. Unless it is something other than just a language issue, I don’t understand why there is such opposition to it. Otherwise, what’s the big deal if a church does it and people want to go?


9 posted on 03/10/2025 11:52:49 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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Performing a Novus Ordo service in Latin is not a Latin Mass.

While I have attended many traditional Tridentine Masses, I had never seen a Novus Ordo mass, in Latin, in the USA. I didn't know such a thing existed, until I was traveling in Germany a few years ago. While in the Koln area, I did an internet search on nearby Catholic Churches and Latin mass - and that's where it sent me.

10 posted on 03/10/2025 11:53:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Who died and made him pope?


11 posted on 03/10/2025 12:03:55 PM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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Once when I was in San Francisco for a conference I found that a nearby church had a Novus Ordo Latin Mass so I went to it. That was many years ago. It was done reverently and the Latin was pronounced correctly but still not the same as the Tridentine Latin Mass.


12 posted on 03/10/2025 12:15:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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I looked into the ultra-trad movement many years ago and found out that in some places, the priests who did not like it were vilified and re-assigned to tiny parishes in the middle on nowhere as punishment for their views.

Some of the modernized were really horrible about it. They criticized the pre-V2 church as pray, pay, and obey, and then took that to new levels.

This is kind of the background as to why it is “such a big deal.”


13 posted on 03/10/2025 12:25:37 PM PDT by Chicory
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You’re right...the stand up...sit down...kneel down...stand up...should simply stop...I think it’s to keep you awake.


14 posted on 03/10/2025 12:27:27 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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I’m still trying to figure out which kind of Latin Mass Jesus performed. I want the authentic one.


15 posted on 03/10/2025 12:27:41 PM PDT by BipolarBob (My goal is to lose 10 pounds this year. So far, only thirteen more to go.)
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This yutz is going to make mass a drive through...

Would you like absolution and fries with that? F, S, & HS, Amen.. 2nd window, please..


16 posted on 03/10/2025 12:28:32 PM PDT by uranium penguin
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My sister married an orthodox Greek and that was one amazing ceremony.

I have friends who are Chaldean Catholics and I went to one wedding and the reception was really off the hook.


17 posted on 03/10/2025 12:31:43 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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“Francis, took the opposite view, warning that it had been weaponised by traditionalists with an axe to grind against his more liberal agenda. He said it was “being used in an ideological way” and reintroduced restrictions in 2021.”

So..... the commie pope actually admitted that he had a liberal agenda. The arrogance. As a rep or spokesman for God he is not supposed to have an agenda, liberal or otherwise, other than converting people to Christianity and following and spreading God’s word.


18 posted on 03/10/2025 12:31:56 PM PDT by Danie_2023
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That council, known as Vatican II, gave Catholics the freedom to celebrate Mass in their local language and encouraged priests to face towards rather than away from their congregations, who were given a greater participatory role during the service.

Not true. While Vatican II did give some limited freedom to priests to occasionally use the vernacular, it was not intended to be a wholesale abandonment of the Latin language. And the Council said NOTHING about facing the people. BTW, when the priest says Mass ad orientem, he is not "facing away from the people." He is symbolically facing East, in anticipation of the Lord's second coming.

19 posted on 03/10/2025 12:32:10 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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I’ve been hearing about this from older relatives and parents since I was a kid. Many of them grew up going to Latin Mass. Unless it is something other than just a language issue, I don’t understand why there is such opposition to it. Otherwise, what’s the big deal if a church does it and people want to go?

It's really not about the Latin language. It's almost an entirely different Mass. The new Mass is so stripped down that it's almost unrecognizable as being connected to the Traditional Latin Mass. I attend Mass in all three forms of the Latin rite: 1) the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), 2) the Ordinariate form of the Mass, and 3) the Novus Ordo, which is what is celebrated in 99% of the parishes in this country. The Novus Ordo, even when celebrated with reverence and beauty, leaves so much out. Everyone I know who attends the TLM says that the language has nothing to do with why they attend. It's the reverence, mystery, and beauty of the Mass, as compared to the Novus Ordo.

20 posted on 03/10/2025 12:40:34 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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