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1 posted on 07/27/2024 1:28:54 PM PDT by Petrosius
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“...more dispassionately...”?

That’s some flabby prose right there.


2 posted on 07/27/2024 1:40:28 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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Was Vatican II the counterculture applied to the Catholic church?


3 posted on 07/27/2024 1:54:36 PM PDT by alternatives?
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They can always wait for the never changing church to introduce vatican III, but I digress

It reminds me of Bob Barker asking which door to choose....


6 posted on 07/27/2024 3:17:49 PM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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It’s an unmitigated disaster of epochal proportions. But I’m not young.


7 posted on 07/27/2024 3:23:16 PM PDT by xoxox
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They should oppose VatII as it has destroyed the Church. 18K priests have left is one issue. The only thing to save the Church is reverse VatII and reinstitute TLM.


8 posted on 07/27/2024 4:26:04 PM PDT by chopperk (are)
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I’m 65 years old. I was in the first class of altar boys who did not need to learn the Latin to serve Mass. I loved being an altar boy. It was masculine. We were looked up to by the other boys in my class. I went to an all boys Catholic high school and would often attend daily Mass there with my older brother. I went on some retreats given by the Franciscan friars who ran the school and even very seriously considered becoming a Franciscan. On one of the retreats they gave for the students I remember sitting on the floor at Mass and passing the Eucharist from one student to the next to take Holy Communion by ourselves. My point is that I was “all in” on the changes of VII because I didn’t know any different.

Then I went to a Jesuit college. By then I had another influence in my life that kept me from going off the deep end so I would not be messed up by the Jesuit influence. There were still some truly great Jesuits there at that time who kept me from losing my faith. Among them was Fr. Frank Haig, Alexander Haig’s brother, and Fr. William Driscoll. I owe them an enormous debt of gratitude.

But I never really understood what had been stolen from me until I started attending Mass at Mount Calvary Catholic Church in Baltimore. The parish had been Episcopalian for about 160 years, and a focal point of the Oxford Movement in America. They had recently converted, as a parish, to Catholicism and are part of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter. The Mass they say would have been familiar to St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher, except that it’s said in High English. My eyes were opened to the beauty and majesty of how Mass should be. It prepared me to discover the Traditional Latin Mass, which opened my eyes even further.

My kids were grown by this point, but they were open to the idea of Tradition. They all appreciate both the Ordinariate Mass and the Latin Mass, but their circumstances have led them to find orthodox and very reverent Novus Ordo Masses. But they all attend the TLM from time to time with their spouses.

A long way to say that this article resonates with me and my kids.


9 posted on 07/27/2024 5:33:21 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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The incident that invalidated the Council?
10 posted on 07/27/2024 8:01:30 PM PDT by ClarityGuy
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The most high profile Catholics are homosexuals and abortionists.


11 posted on 07/27/2024 8:06:41 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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The strongest indictment of conciliarism I've ever read:

"If all this can change overnight, then what exactly is not subject to change?"

12 posted on 07/27/2024 8:09:10 PM PDT by ClarityGuy
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