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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Salvation is found in Christ alone.
Never a church.
That’s just bogus stuff you've been taught.


Again with the fallacies.
The Church Has NEVER taught Salvation is by the Church... Sola Ecclesia.
If you didn't know that, now you do.

What we are taught- is that the Church IS the Body of Christ-
A Church that Christ promised to build in Matt 18
to bind and loose and the keys to Heaven stuff...
So when we come to the Church,
We Are coming to the Body of Christ, which He Sacrificed himself for us.

But We are ONLY saved through the GRACE of Christ, indirectly received.
This Grace must come from Christ, and no other way.

And this yes, We can met this Grace of Christ through His Sacraments through the Church -
But we are NEVER saved APART from the Grace that must come from Christ, that we hope and endure will be coming from Christ.

We cannot earn this Grace, we cannot take this Grace as ours- Nor can we proclaim this saving Grace Has already been given to Us.
For this reason Jesus gave us the Church to stay a part of in our earthly life.


134 posted on 08/16/2023 1:34:02 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("I consider the sufferings of this present time are nothing compared with the glory to be revealed")
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To: MurphsLaw

—> And this yes, We can met this Grace of Christ through His Sacraments through the Church -

You are told this, but not by Scripture.

It is added, nullifying Christ alone.

It is never Christ-plus.

—> But We are ONLY saved through the GRACE of Christ, indirectly received.

Salvation does not come indirectly. Only directly from Him.

—> We cannot earn this Grace, we cannot take this Grace as ours- Nor can we proclaim this saving Grace Has already been given to Us.

This is a correct statement, acknowledging even though you try, it cannot be done.

Also that you are not saved.

Very sad.

The Gospel of Grace only comes from Him. It saves to the uttermost.

The rest of it all - the costumery, “holy water, rituals, pantheon of manufactured saints, never save nor bring salvation.

They are pagan rituals bolted onto the Gospel.


137 posted on 08/16/2023 2:09:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: MurphsLaw
But We are ONLY saved through the GRACE of Christ, indirectly received.

"Indirectly received"??? What do you think the seven sacraments are?

Oh, I get it. You and Bishop Barron use that same term to tell the Jews they need not convert to Christianity. Instead, they can receive Christ's grace "indirectly".

141 posted on 08/16/2023 2:30:16 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: MurphsLaw; aMorePerfectUnion
The Church Has NEVER taught Salvation is by the Church... Sola Ecclesia.

On the contrary, it certainly has in the past and it is part of the Catechism of the Catholic church.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church

Now, before we get too far into the weeds here, let me quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 846-48, which—as is so often the case no matter the doctrine with the CCC—presents this teaching clearly and to the point under the heading: “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”

255 posted on 08/17/2023 5:38:26 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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