Posted on 11/30/2022 11:20:01 PM PST by Tzaphon
Are Christmas Trees in the Bible? You Betcha!
The Hebrew Sages have stated that, 'Everything that ever was and ever will be is in the Torah' (Pirqe'i Avot 5:22) they are correct. They also relate that the Prophets and Writings expand the Torah. Most people don't realize that the Writings have never stopped, have never stopped!
Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened…
Yeshua
Notice, there are no limits on this statement.
Genesis 35:1 Then ELoHIM said to Jacob, “Arise, go up to BethEL and dwell there; and make an altar there to EL, who appeared to you when you fled from the face of Esau your brother.
2 And Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, “Put away the foreign ELoHY that are among you, purify yourselves, and change your garments. 3 Then let us arise and go up to BethEL and I will make an altar there to EL, who answered me in the day of my distress and has been with me in the way which I have gone.” 4 So they gave Jacob all the foreign ELoHY which were in their hands, and the earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the terebinth tree which was by Shechem.
5 And they journeyed, and the terror of ELoHIM was upon the cities that were all around them, and they did not pursue the sons of Jacob.
6 So Jacob came to Luz (that is, BethEL), which is in the land of Canaan, he and all the people who were with him. 7 And he built an altar there and called the place EL BethEL, because there ELoHIM appeared to him when he fled from the face of his brother.
Not clear enough? This will clarify the subject…
Jeremiah 10:1 Hear the word which YHVH speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says YHVH:
“Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good.” 6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, YHVH (You are great, and Your name is great in might),
7 Who would not fear You, O King of the nations? For this is Your rightful due. For among all the wise men of the nations, And in all their kingdoms, There is none like You. 8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.
9 Silver is beaten into plates; It is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of the craftsman And of the hands of the metalsmith; Blue and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skillful men. 10 But YHVH is the true ELoHIM; He is the living ELoHIM and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth will tremble, And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.
11 Thus you shall say to them: “The ELoHY that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens.” 12 He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.
13 When He utters His voice, There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries.” 14 Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge; Every metalsmith is put to shame by an image; For his molded image is falsehood, And there is no breath in them.
15 They are futile, a work of errors; In the time of their punishment they shall perish. 16 The Portion of Jacob is not like them, For He is the Maker of all things, And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance; YHVH TZaVOT is His name.
17 Gather up your wares from the land, O inhabitant of the fortress! 18 For thus says YHVH:
“Behold, I will throw out at this time The inhabitants of the land, And will distress them, That they may find it so.”
19 Woe is me for my hurt! My wound is severe. But I say, “Truly this is an infirmity, And I must bear it.” 20 My tent is plundered, And all my cords are broken; My children have gone from me, And they are no more. There is no one to pitch my tent anymore, Or set up my curtains.
21 For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, And have not sought YHVH; Therefore they shall not prosper, And all their flocks shall be scattered. 22 Behold, the noise of the report has come, And a great commotion out of the north country, To make the cities of Judah desolate, a den of jackals.
23 O YHVH, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps. 24 O YHVH, correct me, but with justice; Not in Your anger, lest You bring me to nothing.
25 Pour out Your fury on the Gentiles, who do not know You, And on the families who do not call on Your name; For they have eaten up Jacob, Devoured him and consumed him, And made his dwelling place desolate.
Cause and Effect
There is an interesting ritual among Orthodox Jewish families. When a family member converts to Christianity they hold a funeral for them. Well this is related in the parable of the Prodigal Son. Read it like this, the older brother is Judaism, the younger son Christianity. And count how many times He mentions “The Father”.
Luke 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons: 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
Another interesting fact is that, nowhere in the Scriptures does it instruct one to worship the Messiah, nowhere!
Yeshua instructs us to worship The Father and ELoHIM.
See: John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of ELoHIM.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Yeshua: worship ELoHIM: for the testimony of Yeshua is the spirit of prophecy.
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וָאֶפּׂל לְרַגְלָיו לְהִשְׁתַּחֲוֹת לוֹ וַיּׂאמֶר אֵלַי רְאֵה אַל־תַּעֲשֶׂה־זּׂאת עֶבֶד אֲנִי כָּמוֹךָ וְחָבֵר לְּךָ וּלְאַחֶיךָ אֲשֶׁר עֵדוּת יֵשׁוּעַ בְּפִיהֶם הִשְׁתַּחֲוֵה לֵאלׂהִים כִּי עֵדוּת יֵשׁוּעַ הִיא רוּחַ הַנְּבוּאָה׃
Jeremiah16:19 19 O YHVH, my strength, and my stronghold, and my refuge in the day of affliction, unto thee shall the nations (gentiles) come from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Our fathers have inherited nought but lies, even vanity and things wherein there is no profit.
16:20 Shall a man make ELoHIM unto himself, and they are no ELoHIM?
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הֲיַעֲשֶׂה־לּוֹ אָדָם אֱלֹהִים וְהֵמָּה לֹא אֱלֹהִים׃
16:21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHVH.
My wife and I visited David Wilkerson's church and (twas the season) they had a very large Christmas tree on their stage. Sure enough some children approached the tree (and I pointed out) got on their knees (in front of this wooden idol) and retrieved their trinkets from under the tree.
Jeremiah 10:8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.
This is what the church has done, they left Beit-EL long ago, went back to the tree and retrieved their trinkets from under the tree.
Jeremiah 10:16 The Portion of Jacob is not like them, For He is the Maker of all things, And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance; YHVH TZaVOT is His name.
Matthew 10:5 These twelve Yeshua sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
That is quite clear…
Jacob 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one ELoHIM.
You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed YHVH, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of YHVH.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Faith and Works
For Example
John 6:48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Yeshua said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
Well now just back up a few chapters into the book of Luke and you'll find that...
Luke 22:14 When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. 15 Then He said to them, “With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of ELoHIM.”
17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of ELoHIM comes.”
19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”
Pesach / Passover links
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The mark in the forehead can be found in the Quran, how about that...
Quran
Fat-h or Victory
29. Muhammad is the Apostle Of God; and those who are With him are strong Against Unbelievers, (but) Compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow And prostrate themselves (In prayer), seeking Grace From God and (His) Good Pleasure.
On their faces are their Marks, (being) the traces Of their prostration. This is their similitude In the Taurat; And their similitude In the Gospel is: Like a seed which sends Forth its blade, then Makes it strong; it then Becomes thick, and it stands
You get marked in your forehead from bowing to Mecca.
Anyway, many are familiar with the bad mark, how many know about the good mark?
Exodus 13:16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand YHVH brought us forth out of Egypt.
Now back up to verse 9 (Exodus 13)
13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that YHVH Torat may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath YHVH brought thee out of Egypt.
They’re called patterns, and they echo throughout the universe…
And when YHVH repeats in the same section (chapter) you might what to pay attention! You get the good mark from observing Pesach / Matzah! As they say in Brooklyn, such a deal!
Isiah 56:9 All you beasts of the field, come to devour, All you beasts in the forest.
10 His watchmen are blind, They are all ignorant; They are all dumb dogs, They cannot bark; Sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 11 Yes, they are greedy dogs Which never have enough. And they are shepherds Who cannot understand; They all look to their own way, Every one for his own dishonest gain, From his own territory.
12 “Come,” one says, “I will bring wine, And we will fill ourselves with intoxicating drink; Tomorrow will be as today, And much more abundant.”
MbA
The bottom line is, leave your idols under the tree and ascend to Beit-EL! See you there, or not…
25 Kislev 3756 - Chanukah / Conception of Yeshua
15 Tishri 3757 - Sukkot / Birth of Yeshua, September 14, -4
15 Nisan 3790 - (30 C.E.) Pesach / Crucifixion of Yeshua
Now for some real fun!
Go to the website Your Sky and generate the view from Jerusalem for Passover 30 C.E. The full moon passes right through Virgo (Betulah in Hebrew) literally the birth of the new covenant!
Your Sky
http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/
Select Nearby City
Choose Jerusalem
Select Universal Time and
copy and drop this date and time into the appropriate box…
30-04-05 18:00:00
And you will see the great sign of the birth of the Brit Chadashah!
Cycle through the eveining and you’ll see the full moon pass right through the constellation Virgo, a birth, ouch!
Now when you look at the header from Your Sky the day will say Wednesday, but when you look at the same date from this site, same company BTW.
Calendar converter
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
It will say Friday which is correct. Pope Gregory adjusted the calendar by ten days, count from Wednesday to Friday (count Wednesday) and you’ll hit Friday.
Happy Chanukah!
In the Old Testament, they believed the trees the cut down and decorated were alive and worthy of worship. I don’t believe anybody here thinks Christmas trees are alive and worthy of worship.
Having said that, I believe Romans 14 is the proper advisement. If you think it is wrong, don’t have one. If it is nothing tonyiu, feel free to have one.
Only the dates were removed, not the days.
O Tannenbaum
Trees are forbidden to be worshiped as the Jeremiah Scriptures say. We are even warned to not trade gifts "like the pagans do".
No one worships Christmas trees.
Also, you should say “Jesus was born” not “The human Jesus was worn”.
Your language is bifurcating the two natures of Jesus - the Divine and the human. That’s a no-no for Christians, and even if meant in a proper sense, is far worse a practice than having a Christmas tree.
I don’t see how saying “The human Jesus was born” separates the two natures of Christ. The human part of him was indeed born, but that doesn’t take away his divinity, it just solidifies that he is the God Man (God the Son). I think it is clearer to those who don’t understand the two natures. Atheists and non-trinitarians could use your argument and say “see, Jesus was born (created)”. You give them fuel for the objections.
All of him was born. All of him died on the cross. He's one divine person, not a divine person somehow connected to a human person.
Christmas trees started in the middle ages as props in morality plays, which started by depicting the fall in Genesis. The prop which became the Christmas tree represented the "tree of life," and the ornaments on it represent the forbidden fruit.
That is all fine and good except nobody ever saw a Christmas Tree until Martin Luther made the first one.
Next somebody will say God had a mother. Jesus had a mother. God was, is and always will be.
You do understand that Jesus is fully God and fully Human, right? His Human body is right now, in Heaven. Albeit a non-corruptible body, but a body none the less.
If you read the Scriptures correctly, you will see what is called Theophanies before the birth of Jesus. If Jesus is truly God, then he formed the earth in Genesis, and nothing formed was made without Him. He was the one that appeared before Joshua as The Commander of the Lord's Army. He wrestled with Jacob and injured his leg, and many other appearances in the Old Testament.
What you are arguing is there is more than one God. What Scripture says is there is but one God that can appear in many forms. Instead of using the word "Trinity", it would be more accurate to use "The Triune God", or One God in 3 forms. In order to pay the sin price for Adam, Jesus appeared in human form otherwise He couldn't pay the wages anymore than apples and oranges are the same fruit.
I always have this question for people that read the Bible and call themselves "Christian", "When you know that Christmas was a made up holiday to celebrate a pagan god, why would you continue to celebrate it using what is clearly forbidden in Scripture. Every year I watch Christians bend into a pretzel trying to make a pagan day fit into some kind of "Holy Day". Something Holy is set apart only to God. What is Santa Clause, Christmas trees, elves, reindeer, ect. What does Easter rabbits, chicken eggs, ect, have to do with the death of Jesus or His Resurrection? These are all man made holidays substituted with what God Himself prescribed in Leviticus 23, and Jesus observed them all.( what would Jesus do= what did Jesus do?) Jesus never put up a tree in His home or hunted Easter eggs. He observed Passover and Tabernacles as Scripture taught.
When the angel declared His name to be "Emanuel" he was saying that God was with them just as He was in the wilderness Tabernacle. When Jesus returns to earth, He will appear as the Lion of Judah, not the Lamb of God. To learn more about that just read Revelation and there is a description of Him there.
Zech 14:16 says in the Last Days God will require earthings to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Christmas is about the birth of Tammuz. He was the son of Nimrod, a type of Antichrist.
If you know Christ was born on Tabernacles and not Dec 25th, why would you continue celebrating the wrong day when God has provided the proper days to observe and what to do on those days. You can't make stuff up and please God.
If you read Joshua, you will see the northern king set up 2 golden calves and worship them on the wrong days and use non-Levite priests so as not to compete with the southern kingdom. He chose the eighth month, fifteenth day vs. the true day on the seventh month, fifteenth day.
Jos 24:14 "Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord!
Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
“What you are arguing is there is more than one God.”
No, not at all. I am arguing - and the argument is already settled by Christians - that the Second Person of the Trinity took on flesh and in that flesh was called Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was born. Not his nature. Women do not give birth to natures. They give birth to persons, children.
“When you know that Christmas was a made up holiday to celebrate a pagan god, why would you continue to celebrate it using what is clearly forbidden in Scripture.”
1) The fact that it is called Christmas means it was not “made up” to celebrate a pagan god. Christ is not a pagan god. And if that is your level of logic, then you really should sue the government over the poor public education you got.
2) Every day - every single one - had a pagan god celebrated on it somewhere sometime. Our days are literally named after pagan gods (e.g. Thursday = Thor’s day). On Maundy Thursday, however, we are not celebrating or worshipping Thor, but Christ. If you don’t see the difference there, then you really have a problem.
“Every year I watch Christians bend into a pretzel trying to make a pagan day fit into some kind of “Holy Day”. Something Holy is set apart only to God. What is Santa Clause, Christmas trees, elves, reindeer, ect.”
Christmas is a holy day. It literally says so on my liturgical calendar. Santa Clause is a distortion of St. Nicholas and a rather benign and innocent one until about 200 years ago in the United States. Christmas trees are simply decorations and beautiful ones at that. The only group that really believes they are religious is the Moravians and they’re Protestants. If you can’t separate the genuine Christmas traditions, which come from scripture, from kitsch of the last few centuries, then, again, you’re the one with the problem. I know children who do it without any problem. Why can’t you?
“What does Easter rabbits, chicken eggs, ect, have to do with the death of Jesus or His Resurrection?”
Simple:
1) It’s literally part of the season - the Spring.
2) eggs are representative of the tomb and New Life springing from it.
Seriously, do you not know this? Are you really that poorly educated? https://www.britannica.com/story/what-do-eggs-have-to-do-with-easter#:~:text=The%20egg%20itself%20became%20a,even%20in%20modern%20secular%20nations.
“These are all man made holidays substituted with what God Himself prescribed in Leviticus 23, and Jesus observed them all.”
The Resurrection is not in Leviticus 23. So you’re saying we can’t celebrate it. Again, your logic fails.
“( what would Jesus do= what did Jesus do?) Jesus never put up a tree in His home or hunted Easter eggs. He observed Passover and Tabernacles as Scripture taught.”
Jesus is not bound by the mosaic law regarding anymore than I am since His resurrection. He fulfilled the Law. If He wants to wear woolen and linen blends (banned by the law) He can. In the NT we see Christians celebrating the Eucharist on the first day of the week - Sunday. Christ fulfilled by the law.
Then amazingly, you say this: “Zech 14:16 says in the Last Days God will require earthings to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Christmas is about the birth of Tammuz. He was the son of Nimrod, a type of Antichrist.”
No. Tammuz was a Sumerian god. Nimrod was an actual biblical figure, a great grandson of Noah. You actually think a man, Nimrod, is the father of a pagan god, Tammuz? You make mistake after mistake, after mistake. Have you never actually read the Bible? Have you ever read an actual book of any note? If you want to know about the supposed father of Tammuz, look up Enki. What you’re spouting is a 19th century distortion of myths and the Bible. Anyone who knows anything about this would know half of what you’re carping about is trash invented by Alexander Hislop - trash that was praised and then debunked by his formerly most ardent sycophant Ralph Woodrow: https://www.equip.org/articles/the-two-babylons/
You’re lack of genuine knowledge is embarrassing. You should be ashamed of being such a sciolist.
Simple.
He was born. There was no “human part of him” that was born.
Parts are not born. Persons are born. He was born.
He took on humanity. He was not part human. He was all human and all divine. Not part human and part divine.
Persons are born. Natures are not. He was born. His human nature was not.
When you deny the reality of the incarnation - which is what you’re doing - you’re denying Christ Himself by denying who He really was - all man and all God. Not part man and part God. All man, all God, forever after.
Human part=bodily form. Does that clear it up? How do you come up with me denying who he is (not was, by the way, who he is), from me stating that he was bodily born?
There is no Christmas or Easter in Scripture anymore that Thanksgiving and July 4th.In fact, Eze 8 speaks on abominations that sound like Christmas and a Sunrise service.
I received a good public education and I received a good Biblical education. It sounds like your Biblical education is what is lacking. Until you do some more Bible study, I'm kinda over trying to convince you that Christmas trees were forbidden in Scripture. To save you any bother, here tis,....
Jer 10:2 Thus says the Lord: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
Jer 10:4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
Jer 10:5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good."
Jer 10:6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Lord (You are great, and Your name is great in might),
Now put the tree up if you want, but just know God doesn't approve. Why not dedicate quality time with the Lord instead of defying Him. Is this not any different that reading the Bible and insisting that sodomy is love so God must be for it as the Democrats insist? I can read 50 verses saying God wants you to worship Him on the Sabbath, but almost 95% say He wants us to worship Him on Sunday. This is why many will follow the Antichrist because they don't know what Scripture says. Jesus even warned that they wouldn't believe Him but would follow a man that comes in his own name.
“How do you come up with me denying who he is (not was, by the way, who he is), from me stating that he was bodily born?”
Jesus was born. There was no “human part” of him that was born. Persons are born. When you were born, you were born with a soul (which is eternal). Your “human part” was not born. YOU were born with an eternal soul.
To say otherwise is to deny the reality of the incarnation. There is no human part of Jesus. He’s not 25% human. He’s not 50% human. He’s all man and all God. To say anything else is to logically deny either His humanity or His divinity.
You’re so wrong and you have no idea. I’ll demonstrate with just one example:
“There is no Easter in Scripture.”
Well, you better tell the translators of the King James Bible.
Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Easter - as the KJV translators knew - is just the word used in Germanic language countries for the Resurrection/Passover of Christ. The resurrection is most definitely in scripture.
You completely avoid mentioning Hislop and Tammuz - which tells me I was right.
Did the Word become flesh or not? Did he tire? Did he hunger? You still haven’t explained how I am denying the incarnation. Did I once say he was 25%, 50%...? No. He is fully God and fully man. That doesn’t sound like denying the incarnation to me.
Vladimir, we are both acknowledging the incarnation of Jesus Christ. I may not be saying it in the proper “Christian-ese”, but I am plainly saying the incarnation is real.
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