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To: dpetty121263

So God created Satan, who turned out to be a bastard.

So that leaves you two options to choose from.

1. God is an imperfect and incompetent creator, who screwed up royally, or

2. God created exactly what he wanted to when he created Satan, therefore he willfully created evil.

Which one do you pick?


44 posted on 09/25/2022 5:30:19 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: aquila48
" So God created Satan, who turned out to be a bastard. So that leaves you two options to choose from. 1. God is an imperfect and incompetent creator, who screwed up royally, or 2. God created exactly what he wanted to when he created Satan, therefore he willfully created evil. Which one do you pick? " Neither, as this is a false dilemma, ignoring alternatives. Which is that God created a perfect being, not a perfect robot or an object such as a cloud which cannot decide where to go, being moved by external forces, one that is able to make choices, as Lucifer did, not as compelled by nature, and thus a perfect being means having the a perfect ability to defile himself, even to self-destruct. Which ability is indeed "not a bug but a feature."

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. (Ecclesiastes 7:29)

Meanwhile, although sinful man sins under influence of his sinful nature, that does not mean he cannot choice at all to resist it, nor is man judged for what he had no choice in doing, nor for the sins of his parents, but only for what he is culpable for, and the degree thereof. Thus God appealed to the first murderer,

And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. (Genesis 4:6-7)

And the more blessed/graced we are, then the more accountable we are.

Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. (Luke 10:13-14)

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Luke 12:48)

And yet, this ability to sin grieve God who allows it, like as a parent is grieved when he allows his rebellious-by-nature kid is given freedom and acts it out

If you want to offer alternatives, first sSee Theodicy in dealing with alternative proposals as to how God should have operated.

54 posted on 09/25/2022 6:09:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: aquila48

You are partly right as God’s plan was to send his Son to die for our sins but he would not be much of a God if he forced Man to follow God so he had to give Man a Free choice and so he created Satan and allowed him to become evil and expelled him from Heaven. God gave Satan Earth as his relm, and God kept Heaven..God also created Hades as he wanted to end the Blood Sacrifice of the Jews and so sent his Son to die on the Cross and was buried, went to Hell and overcame Hell and rose from the grave as a new Man and ascended into Heaven . So yes God did create Evil as it was part of his plan to save Man.. God doesn’t send anyone to Hell, Man makes that choice for himself.


59 posted on 09/25/2022 7:08:09 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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