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The Messiah already arrived, 2k years ago.

When this guy is shown to be a false prophet, will he be punished as false prophets are punished?


4 posted on 01/12/2022 9:28:46 AM PST by Theo (FReeping since 1998 ... drain the swamp.)
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“ When this guy is shown to be a false prophet, will he be punished as false prophets are punished?”

The admonishment is ‘beware of false prophets”, not punish them.

People wait for authorities to tell them what to do. The Gospel and the letters of St Paul are telling enough.

I followed one of these prophesies once. Came from a. Good authority at a Catholic place. What I learned was- well, a lot, mostly beware of false prophets.

I was so convinced it was the end. I went to an intelligent priest. He said, it really helps your devotion, doesn’t it? It did. I did get things straight. What he also meant was, just be ready, don’t be concerned with the ramblings of people who may or may not know.

I see these headlines and skip right ahead. This man might or might not know. That’s all

Jesus said only the Father knows. Not for nothing.


11 posted on 01/12/2022 9:58:25 AM PST by stanne
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To: Theo

Bkmk


19 posted on 01/12/2022 10:47:20 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: Theo

“The Messiah already arrived, 2k years ago.”


So, he arrived (reportedly). Then he came back (reportedly). Since then, a bunch of people have been waiting for nearly 20 centuries for this guy to take his third swing. Color me skeptical - as there is absolutely NO indication in the Tanach (the Jewish Bible, which includes the 5 Books of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms) of the Redeemer needing a 2nd (let alone a 3rd) shot at getting things right. You’re it and you do the job, or you’re not and you don’t - there’s no in between. Thousands of people have claimed the title over the centuries (including Jesus), and not a single one has yet fulfilled any of the prophecies about the Redeemer.

Note that talking about miracles allegedly performed by anyone has nothing to do with who is the Redeemer - evil people in the Bible had the power to perform miracles (as examples, Pharoah’s magicians emulated some of the Biblical plagues that G-d gave Moses the power to perform, and Balak’s sorcerer, Bilaam, was a a well known and powerful sorcerer and prophet mentioned in Numbers 22-24). So, if bad people can perform miracles, then merely performing miracles (assuming that they can be verified - and that’s a real stretch) by itself CANNOT be a test of being the Messiah or not.

Further, how can someone be the Redeemer if wars continued, if the Jewish Temple was destroyed and the Jewish people were scattered? The Redeemer is supposed to help bring about the opposite of these things - and the first century or so after Jesus lived was pretty much the definition of the complete antithesis of what the Redeemer will bring about. Furthermore, the dead will be resurrected, and there will be a universal knowledge of God and obedience to His Torah (including knowing and abiding by the 7 Noahide laws for those who don’t convert to Judaism - that’s their ticket to Heaven). None of these things occurred, NONE, not during his lifetime, not when he (allegedly) was resurrected, not in the 20 centuries afterwards.

The simple fact is that the very concept of a (or The) Messiah is a Jewish concept - there is simply no other religion that had such a concept until Christianity adopted it, and while Jesus was alive it was in conformity with Jewish tradition. Note that the concept of a “messiah” in general simply means one who’s head is annointed with oil as a sign that they are in the service of G-d. There were MANY messiahs by this definition, including all of the kings and High Priests of biblical Israel - and also including non-Jewish Cyrus the Great (Isaiah 45). Being a “messiah” doesn’t make one “The” Redeemer at all. Note that after Jesus’ life, his followers (mainly Paul) modified the concept quite considerably (among many other things that were also modified quite considerably)...yet conveniently Christian theology ignores the simple fact that Jesus failed on numerous grounds in the original source material regarding The Redeemer (i.e. the Tanach) to meet ANY of the very basic tests for being that Redeemer.


24 posted on 01/12/2022 1:25:54 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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Don’t forget, there will be a second coming.


31 posted on 01/12/2022 3:14:06 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the cosmological implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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