Posted on 09/14/2021 7:16:22 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
Song and Video - Yeshua Returns to Israel!
The FULFILLMENT OF THE DAY OF ATONEMENT! WHEN YESHUA RETURNS TO ISRAEL! (Lev. 23:27-32, Zech. 12:10-14; 13:1;8-9; Rev. 19:11-21).
This video is brought to you by the Messyonic cult of deception and lies. They are trying to peddle the false idea that you can believe in JC and still be a Jew. The two concepts are absolutely incompatible. No matter how bright and cheerful the people in this video are, they are trying to sell a LIE.
The two concepts are absolutely incompatible.
***Baloney. Some of the strongest christians I have met are completed Jews. The apostles were jews. Much of the New Testament was written to jews. Jesus is a jew. Since He is Jehovah God Himself, He knows how to appeal to jews.
Oh, I see. A Jew is not "completed" until they take up the belief in JC. You are advocating replacement theology, and you are quite deluded. Suggestion: go observe your own religion and leave the Jews to theirs.
No. Jesus commands us to preach the good news so I’m doing it. You have no excuse when you meet Him in the air and He decides your fate... well, in reality you have decided your own fate. You are the deluded one but God allows it. Accept the son of David into your heart; like Trump said, “What do you have to lose?”
A Jew is not “completed” until they take up the belief in JC.
***Yes. As Jesus was quoted, “You have said so yourself”.
Psalm 2:12 KJV — Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
I watched this video, as a Christian, and just on a quick viewing, it seems to me that probably without intending to be, the songwriter’s lyrics were needlessly provocative and not very well-grounded in all of Scripture. Another music video that followed it, from the
Messianic Jewish Alliance of Israel, I’m sure was much better on that score.
Certainly what we believe Christ accomplished for us came partly from His perfect humility, and we are to do what we can to follow His example. In our acknowledging that Christ died for our sins, we are also acknowledging that it was our own sins that caused Him to die, and we should never forget that in all we do.
So I attempt to say this with humility also, that most Christians who testify about Christ being our savior, and our belief that He is the Savior of the world, are not being deceptive or lying about anything. If we have a Gentile background, then it’s through Him that our Hellish pagan understanding of the world has been taken away and been replaced by an understanding of G-d’s Heavenly order.
That all said, though, I’ve gotten a better sense of how probably many Jewish people of today view our testimony about Christ, specifically from having watched a number of videos on YouTube by Rabbi Tovia Singer. I haven’t seen most of his videos, as he’s made a lot of them over many years, but from those I’ve seen so far, his explanations on Jewish interpretations of Christianity are certainly very challenging. They haven’t convinced me that I should renounce my faith in Christ or to convert to Judaism, but I do now have a much better understanding of probably why many Jews regard the Christian faith to be deception and lies, and in this too, as in everything else, we Christians should be quick to listen and slow to speak.
I will mention here just one objection that Rabbi Singer has brought up. For weeks after I watched this video, I wondered about it and questioned what the answer to this objection might be. In Galatians 3:16, Paul the Apostle writes that G-d’s promise to Abraham was to his seed, singular, and not to his seed, plural, and that Abraham’s seed is Christ. I prayed especially for understanding on this question, and I believe one day that the Lord brought me the beginning of an answer.
Paul writes a lot on the importance of having faith in G-d, and it is through having sincere faith in Him that both Jew and Gentile can please God. And that is the one seed, coming to Him through that one spirit of faith in Him. The “one seed” means one *type* of seed, in other words. Galatians 3 supports that Paul is talking about faith towards G-d, and he certainly doesn’t mean one seed in terms of actual people, because at the same time, he tells the Christians he’s writing to that they are the seed, and they are not Christ, either, and there are many more than one of them.
This is the video from Rabbi Singer in which he discusses what Paul wrote about Abraham’s seed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtgfS40f0w4
“Was Paul a Rabbi, an Ignoramus, or a Charlatan? Rabbi Tovia Singer Responds”
Thanks I’ll objectively check it out. My postion is that Yeshua is the perfect Lamb of God; and righteousness propitiation for Adam’s fallen race; Gen. 12:1-3; Lev. 1-10; Isa. 53; John 1:29 etc.
Saul (Paul) also zealously went after Jewish believes in Yeshua after His resurrection till he was converted; that in its self speaks volumes about Paul. To me and millions (Saul) Paul is one of the greatest Jews that ever lived and served the LORD God.
My friend; This song Is based on all Torah; Prophets and Psalms Bible verses; chiefly Deut. 18; Psalm 110:1; Isa. 53; Dan. 9:24-26; Zech. 12:10-14; Mal. 3 etc... How can you say that; what is wrong about it?
Was Paul a Rabbi, an Ignoramus, or a Charlatan?
***Reminds me of the solid apo-logos book “Jesus: God, Ghost or Guru?” by Buell and Hyde. It outlines the evidence that Jesus claimed to be God Himself, which was why He was put to death for blasphemy.
https://www.amazon.com/JESUS-GOD-GHOST-OR-GURU/dp/B002L87FPW
why many Jews regard the Christian faith to be deception and lies,
***Just going through various prooftexts of how Jesus fulfilled the mission of Messiah is enough to send jews down that path of lying and mendacity. For instance, they completely contort themselves when confronted with Genesis 49:10, pointing out that either their messiah has already come and gone or that particular bible prophecy is untrue. Similar with Isaiah 53.
First of all, you are NOT my friend. You and yours (including that propaganda video) take snatches of Torah out of context and twist them to try and make your (false) point that the Torah includes JC in Judaism. It does not, no matter how much Dimmocommie-style twisting and editing you do. You are peddling a product--that JC can be a part of Judaism--that is as patently false as Biden's regime. You might fool the uneducated among Jews, but you certainly cannot peddle your goods to any practicing Jew.
Keep drinking your Kool-aid, but I don't have any deity in my life except G-d. You can tell people that unless they have 3 heads, they won't go to Heaven. Doesn't make it true, but if you enjoy doing that, go right ahead. Just leave me and mine out of your blathering.
Keep drinking your Kool-aid,
***You’re drinking plenty enough for both of us.
but I don’t have any deity in my life except G-d.
***You cannot deny history: That Jesus died on the cross for blasphemy, for claiming to be equal with God. No miracle there, to die on a cross. God is calling you away from your own obstinance. Feel free to pray about it, feel free to look at the historicity. Once you are denying history, ya might as well just continue to invent your own religion like you’re already doing.
You can tell people that unless they have 3 heads, they won’t go to Heaven.
***You can tell people that you’re a born again unicorn. But you can’t argue against the historicity of Jesus simply dying on the cross for claiming to be equal with God.
Doesn’t make it true,
***History is true whether you like it or not, and it is true that Jesus died on the cross due to claiming to be Jehovah God in the flesh. Even His enemies [many of them jews] at the time acknowledged this to be the case. You have nowhere to hide.
but if you enjoy doing that, go right ahead.
***If you think you’re gonna enjoy the lake of fire, you’re mistaken and you should NOT go right ahead.
Just leave me and mine out of your blathering.
***NO. First of all, God commands us to preach the word and it is a protected right in this country, until anti-christian bigots take that right away. Secondly, it aint blathering. Third, I see you’re leaning on that side of things — towards antichristian tyranny — which is odd that you’re posting on a Pro-God website. You don’t like getting preached to? Then stay off the pro-God website. Simple.
I don't think the purpose of FR is to give you a platform to preach blasphemy about other peoples' religions, so you don't have a leg to stand on. You can warn me of any and all "penalties" of me not regarding JC as anything but a historical figure, but those penalties are ones proposed by YOUR religion, not mine. I stay in my own lane, and you can stay in yours. Your premise is utterly ridiculous, that I need to believe in your religion and abide by its penalties for not believing in it. I don't need to do anything of the kind, and you can go howl at the moon for all I care. You are bashing your head into a brick wall. I am content in my religion and its beliefs.
I don’t think the purpose of FR is to give you a platform to preach blasphemy
***It is good that you recognize that Jesus being God Himself is blasphemy. Because that’s what He was put to death for.
about other peoples’ religions,
***Take it up with the religion moderator if you feel so strongly about it. Perhaps you can maneuver this into being a caucus thread for uncompleted jews.
so you don’t have a leg to stand on.
***Go ahead and push on that leg to see if I stand on it.
You can warn me of any and all “penalties” of me not regarding JC
***Good. Because that’s what I’m doing.
as anything but a historical figure,
***As a historical figure, it is provable that He died claiming to be your [and my] messiah, claiming to be equal with God Himself. If He aint God, He deserved to die for such blasphemy. If He IS God, He was gonna die that day as a voluntary sacrifice for us. Either way, He was gonna die on that cross that day, and that is part of history, as you acknowledge and can no longer hide from.
but those penalties are ones proposed by YOUR religion,
***Hell is in YOUR religion as well, buckaroo.
not mine.
***That would be a religious topic thread all on its own. Feel free to post it.
I stay in my own lane,
***Christ tells us to preach the word to others, so we as obedient christians are staying in His lane.
and you can stay in yours.
***Nope. You can go on feeling uncomfortable because that is what God intended, until you drop the act and repent of your sins before Yahweh.
Your premise is utterly ridiculous,
***Not nearly as ridiculous as you going out of your way to deny provable historicity, and trying to impose your own religious viewpoint on this forum as well as trying to get others to stop preaching the word.
that I need to believe in your religion and abide by its penalties for not believing in it.
***You do. Since you’re being so obstinate about denying it, this conversation is more about lurkers seeing how you handle the historical facts and your blind assertions. But there is always a distinct possibility you will repent and accept Jesus as God Himself, as Messiah, as Lord and Savior. Those guys Jews For Jesus are very effective at reaching jews like you. I’ll pray for you.
I don’t need to do anything of the kind,
***You DO need to, you just don’t know that you need to.
and you can go howl at the moon for all I care.
***Then that means I care more about your blasphemous soul than you care for my supposedly blasphemous soul.
You are bashing your head into a brick wall.
***Pot, meet kettle.
I am content in my religion and its beliefs.
***You won’t be. And if you’re supposedly so content then why does it bother you so much that someone points out Who your messiah is, Who died on the cross for your [and my] sins, Who meets all the prophetic requirements for the son of David, Who will come to claim His rightful throne presumably in Israel? The more you engage on this topic, the more your lies come out into the open.
No one appointed you to be my religious advisor. You are a puny, insecure jerk who doesn't feel secure letting people pursue their own lifestyles. A fascist. I don't think FR is quite the place for you. Keep wasting bandwidth if you must, but I think less and less of you with your ridiculous statements.
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