Stop the German Schism

Church Militant ^ | May 7, 2021 | Joseph Enders

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Stop the German Schism

Catholics beg pontiff to step in

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This issue in particular was highlighted because over 500 members of the German clergy, including several bishops, plan to defy the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and bless homosexual couples on May 10 — publicly disobeying the CDF's March 15 ban on blessing them.

Now, the head of the German bishops conference president rejects the idea that the Synodal Way is leading to schism. Bishop Georg Bätzing claims Catholics in Germany pushing a left-wing agenda are not "schismatics," and denied they are seeking to "detach ourselves as the German national Church from Rome."

Despite what the Catechism states, the pontiff is unlikely to step in.GabTweet

Though petitioners shied away from saying the German bishops' acts are, in fact, schismatic, they did suggest it. 

Juan Carlos Cruz

"According to the Code of Canon Law, schism is defined as 'the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him' (c. 751) thus incurring excommunication latae sententiae on all those who promote it," they reiterated. "All this makes one think that the German synodal way is daily tending to become a step towards declared schism and heresy."

Despite what the Catechism states, the pontiff is unlikely to step in. His past comments and comments credited to him appear to indicate he isn't fully on the side of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Back in April, Juan Carlos Cruz, a gay journalist and sex abuse victim, said, "I spoke with the pope, I don't want to betray a confidence, but I know that the pope is a man who is very hurt by this, although ultimately he is responsible."

Pope Francis also allegedly backed homosexual civil unions in October, claiming, "What we have to have is a civil union law, that way they are legally covered."

Much like the German bishops, his comments also defy a CDF declaration, one from 2003 making clear that "respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behavior or to legal recognition of homosexual unions."

No matter the Pope's current position, this coming Monday, he will be faced with a decision that will alter the direction of the Catholic Church for decades to come — as German clergy give "blessings" to same-sex couples. 

If the Holy Father refuses to act, it could show the Church will do nothing when faced with obstinate heresy — and if he chooses to take action, he risks full-blown schism in Germany.

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[TFG]

Stop the German Schism?

Didn’t that already happen in the 60s?

[irishjuggler]

Bergoglio will not act. His heart is with the Krauts on this.

[Repent and Believe]

“Stop the German Schism?
Didn’t that already happen in the 60s?”

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You are absolutely correct. Roncolli (”Pope John XXIII), who usurped the chair of Peter (since he was a heretic already) and every claimant to the chair since, have broken with the unity of faith taught by all of history’s pontiffs and Jesus Christ, and so have started, and maintain, a schism church.

This talk of schism today is therefor silly theater.

[fishtank]

I’m glad this has nothing to do with Martin Luther….

[MurphsLaw]

Lol... it’s Martin Luther 2.0...

[fishtank]

No, it’s Hans Kung the Sequel.

Martin Luther was a true Christian.

[MurphsLaw]

No, it’s Hans Kung the Sequel.

No, no... he was not a Luther wannabe looking for Schism... and there have plenty of anti-doctrinal Church dissidents over the years from within... but there was never any charge of schism with his attempt to inject his specific Protestant styled thinking into the Church- he wasn't even Laicized. He for sure held sacred the Body of Christ, unlike what is going on in Germany today.

No- this is Schism occurring (again) in Germany - that will lead to excommunication (like the schismatic SSPX) - Unless they change their ways of disregarding the Pope and Church teaching. Now maybe this Pope won't do anything with the German Bishops - but they are moving toward schism- the same as Martin Luther wanted... and its very real..
How about then - reformation 2.0 ?

[fishtank]

I’m a Protestant.

The Reformation is Biblical.

Liberal Cath’ism and conservative Cath’ism are not.

[MurphsLaw]

The Reformation is Biblical.

While that in and of itself is an interesting concept... as a Protestant though-

WHICH reformation doctrine do you consider is the " Biblical" one??-
as you will recall, many anti- Church dissidents of that time, did not believe in the others "reform", as well, either....

Whom then do you feel, was the one most guided by the Truth of the Holy Spirit in their desires?