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Pope Disses Trads
Church Militant ^ | February 5, 2021 | David Nussman

Posted on 02/07/2021 5:39:13 PM PST by ebb tide

Pope Disses Trads

Dubs US Catholicism 'alive' and well

The Pope is again speaking out against traditional Catholics. In a meeting with American journalists Monday, Francis claimed U.S. Catholicism is thriving — but referred to traditional Catholics as a problem.

Pope Francis: "It's a living Church, alive, alive. There are perhaps traditionalist groups in the United States, but they are here in the Vatican, too."

Despite the Holy Father's remarks, evidence shows traditionalist Catholics — those loyal to the Traditional Latin Mass — are likely a vital part of the Church's future. 

Traditionalists follow Church teaching at much higher rates than U.S. Catholics in general, according to a 2018 survey. For instance, 98% of Latin Mass attendees believe contraception is immoral, in contrast with only 11% of U.S. Catholics at large.

The same trend plays out with other subjects in Catholic morality (like abortion and homosexuality). Traditionalist laity also tend to give generously to their parish and have a high fertility rate. The Traditional Latin Mass, also known as the Extraordinary Form, is the Roman rite as offered prior to liturgical changes that came after Vatican II. 

It's sometimes called the Tridentine Mass, after the 16th-century Council of Trent, which codified many of the precise details in the Liturgy.

In 2007, Pope Benedict XVI increased access to the Traditional Latin Mass with a document titled Summorum Pontificum. He stated the old form was never officially prohibited, meaning any priest can say the Latin Mass if he knows how to do it — no special permission needed.

Over the years, faithful devoted to the Extraordinary Form have often dealt with pushback from their local bishop, even after Summorum Pontificum.

The recent comments from Pope Francis reflect the same animosity for traditionalists found in many other parts of the Catholic hierarchy.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antichrist; apostate; bidenvoters; francischism; francischurch; heretic; latin; pachamama; pagan; tlm; trads; tridentine
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1 posted on 02/07/2021 5:39:13 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; DuncanWaring; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; markomalley; ...

Ping


2 posted on 02/07/2021 5:40:23 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Traditional American Catholics should free themselves from the heretics and apostates of Europe.


3 posted on 02/07/2021 5:42:10 PM PST by MercyFlush (Donald Trump is my President and Free Republic is my social media!)
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To: ebb tide

Is a ‘living Church’ sorta like a ‘living Constitution’ - meaning you can change it any time you want, because, you know, it ‘evolves’....?


4 posted on 02/07/2021 5:56:31 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("Corn Pop was a bad dude. He ran a bunch of bad boys.")
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To: ebb tide

Satan hates traditional Christianity as well.


5 posted on 02/07/2021 6:00:14 PM PST by Prole
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To: Jamestown1630

Joe biden is pope frankies kind of Catholic..He’s alive,alive alive as opposed to the conservative deadwood in the church...I still say Frankie is an anti catholic put there to destroy the church from within...If he had been a true catholic he would know that was impossible and Jesus will be with His bride until the end...


6 posted on 02/07/2021 6:02:38 PM PST by Hambone 1934 (When will the dems turn the US into Venezuela????)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; LS; campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; Clemenza; dp0622; ...

Dope Frank hates real Catholics and Catholicism. Film at 11.


7 posted on 02/07/2021 6:16:47 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (DEFEAT THE COUP D'ETAT BY THE STALINAZI DERP STATE !)
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To: ebb tide

Well, it’s a two way street, and this Traditional Catholic believes that Jorge Bergoglio is a disaster as Pope just as he was a disaster as Archbishop of Buenos Aires. Show me your friends, and I will tell you what you are. All one needs to do is look at those with whom Bergoglio associates with and appoints to high positions, one being Cupich.


8 posted on 02/07/2021 6:17:54 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Hambone 1934

Well, I’d disagree that Joe is ‘alive, alive, alive’. I think he’s on the cognitive off-ramp, and a puppet of far more canny people.

And while I don’t like to mix religion and politics, which are two different realms, I believe that the directions of Jesus - and the Constitution of the US - are both very sensible to anyone who can read them. And I believe that they are written in Stone as the most enlightened and ‘progressive’ instruction we’ve received to date in either of those realms.


9 posted on 02/07/2021 6:22:41 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("Corn Pop was a bad dude. He ran a bunch of bad boys.")
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To: ebb tide

Pope Soros will burn in Hell.


10 posted on 02/07/2021 6:43:49 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (You are in far greater danger from authoritarian government than you are from a seasonal virus.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Pope Puppet.


11 posted on 02/07/2021 6:58:36 PM PST by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; campaignPete R-CT; NFHale; AuH2ORepublican

The church dies, parishes are being merged across Chicago. My mother’s is gone in June or July along with her job. Merged with another Church that isn’t even the closest one, or the 2nd closest. Expensive land, it will become condos I’m sure.

Money and young men’s asses are all that matter to Frank and his minions.


12 posted on 02/07/2021 7:06:10 PM PST by Impy (George Washington did not concede to King George.)
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To: Impy

I will wear my traditional Catholic values and faith as a badge of honor to this apostate Pope!
He makes me ill !!!


13 posted on 02/07/2021 8:08:01 PM PST by bantam
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To: ebb tide

Does pope believe the living Church always “alive, alive” or only since V2?


14 posted on 02/07/2021 8:36:34 PM PST by Marchmain (i vote pro-life)
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Francis: 'No concession' to those who deny Vatican II teachings
15 posted on 02/07/2021 8:44:58 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Impy

Pope Syncretism the First.


16 posted on 02/07/2021 8:57:37 PM PST by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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To: ebb tide
Not just Trads. Any N.O. Mass-goer who refuses to wear a mask and refuses to take Communion in the hand are treated like garbage.

I got reprimanded by the deacon in the middle of a daily Mass in front of about 150 people for not wearing a mask. Then he said, "And to all of you who want to receive on the tongue you will have to line up at the back of the Church after Mass."

That is not communion, that is being ostracized.

17 posted on 02/07/2021 10:02:50 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys )
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; campaignPete R-CT; NFHale

“Money and young men’s asses are all that matter to Frank and his minions.”

Typical poofs.


18 posted on 02/08/2021 4:10:07 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: CdMGuy

Bergoglio any day now will make the liberal, anti-life, pro homosexual Blase Cupich the Prefect of the Congregation of Bishops. He’ll be responsible for selecting all bishops in the world. Cupich is a disaster as a Catholic. But, he’s the kind of fraud that Bergoglio wants to help him destroy the church.
Cupich made archbishop of Chicago on the recommendation of the serial homosexual sexual predator McCarrick. But that’s fine with Bergoglio because he condoned McCarrick’s sexual abuse and covered up for him for years,


19 posted on 02/08/2021 9:35:24 AM PST by NKP_Vet (“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori--It is sweet and fitting to die for the h)
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To: Slyfox
I would have asked the thoughtful Deacon if devout 'catholics" - such as the type of abortion advocates like Joe biden* and Pelosi will be lining up in the back after Mass as well...
20 posted on 02/08/2021 12:33:04 PM PST by MurphsLaw (“But now if you have a purse, take it.. and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.“)
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