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To: SkyDancer

“Was I wrong? I wasn’t supposed to teach him true Biblical scripture?”

You did the right thing. Clearly.

I agree with the article you posted, and your and your church’s approach seem reasonable. You have to follow your conscience also.

Paul points out that there is something especially persuasive about a woman with a meek and quiet spirit. God attributes great value to these qualities, especially in women. People can be won without words. And this applies to men using something other than mere words also.

However, the prohibition against women teaching is primarily about wives usurping their own husbands’ authority.

The early church met somewhat differently than we do today. Part of the order of meetings was similar to how our legislative bodies meet. It was not just gathering for a lecture (sermon). Often, decisions needed to be reached. It was the responsibility of leadership to facilitate consensus and agreement, not just on doctrine but also on action as a church.

Men participated and represented their own families. I’m sure leadership also took into account if there were ever cases where women and children were not directly represented by a believing husband/father. We see special instruction and attention given to caring for widows in the church.


20 posted on 12/29/2020 3:50:41 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: unlearner

Wrong! Women are NOT to teach men. Women are not to be pastors of a church. Outside of Church they can teach whomever they so chose. But what you are using for evidence has no Scriptural evidence to back it up.

It is teachings like that which has led to the weakening of many denominations who would rather follow the Worlds lead rather than Christs.


21 posted on 12/29/2020 4:05:50 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: unlearner; SkyDancer
I repeat, the Scriptures do not allow women to be pastors nor to teach men on matters of Scriptuirers. According to Scripture women are not to be pastors, teachers, nor elders. Let’s take a look. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, the Garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve. He put Adam in the garden and gave him the authority to name all the animals. Afterward, God made Eve as a helper to Adam. This is an important concept because Paul refers to the order of creation in his epistle to Timothy when he discusses the relationship between men and women in the church context. Let’s take a look.

An important note here is that the Holy Spirit is also called the Helper and is no less God than Jesus and the Father. This is an important concept because Paul refers to the order of creation in his epistle to Timothy when he discusses the relationship between men and women in the church context.  Let’s take a look.

1 Timothy 2:12-14, “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet.  For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.  And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression.

1 Timothy 3:15, “but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

At the very least, there is an authority structure set up by God.  The woman is not to have authority over the man (1 Timothy 2:12) in the church context, “the household of God,” (1 Timothy 3:15). This verse is not about political, social, or economic aspects of the secular realm.  It is not about a “patriarchal society” at the time of Paul.  This is the instruction to the household of God and anchors its teaching on the doctrinal truth that Adam was created first.

The Greek for “husband of one wife” is found in these verses

1 Timothy 3:2, “andra mias gunaikos”; andra = man/husband; mias = of one; gynaikos = woman/wife

1 Timothy 3:12, “andres mias gynaikos”; andres = men/husbands; mias = of one; gynaikos = woman/wife

Titus 1:6, “aner mias gunaikos”; aner = man/husband; mias = of one; gynaikos = woman/wife

In other words, each is saying a “man of one woman,” or a “one-woman man.” Notice that the biblical instruction is that the elders, bishops, overseers must be men. ‘Andra,’ ‘andres’, and ‘aner’ all are cognates of the same word in Greek meaning man, husband. In each case, the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is instructed to be male. He is the husband of one wife (‘aner mias gunaikas,’ ‘man of one woman’), responsible, able to “exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict,” (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women. On the contrary, women are told to be “dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things,” (1 Timothy 3:11). Why is it that it is the men who are singled out as the overseers? It is because of the created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Timothy 2:12-14). This is not merely a social custom that fell away with ancient Israel.

While Christ fulfilled the Law and the Ceremonial practices, and thus obliterated them from existence, nothing He did obliterated God's view on the order women are to be in when it comes to the matter of the Church.

Try as you may, you cannot find any reference anywhere in scriptures to prove otherwise. NOTHING!

22 posted on 12/29/2020 4:28:19 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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