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The Clarion Call of the Great Commission
The Reason For My Faith ^ | 12/29/20 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 12/29/2020 11:05:12 AM PST by OneVike

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It's a long read I know. I almost broke it into a part one and part two, but since many who might read it may not see the second part, I decided to post it as a whole.

I pray the Lord blesses those who have the patience to read the whole commentary.

As usual, I posted it in full, and so there is no need to visit my blog. Even the video I offer I gave a link to the youtube one so you are not forced to visit my blog.

It would be nice if you would visit my blog, but if you don't I understand.

1 posted on 12/29/2020 11:05:12 AM PST by OneVike
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This is a long read, but I believe you will find that it's an easy read that flows good. The last words of our Lord to His disciples was the Great Commission. Like those we love, when they pass on, it's usually the last moment and the last words they say which forever stay in our memory. Taking that into mind, it's only fitting that Christ saved the Great Commission to be the last words He shared with His disciples. He wanted them to remember forever what it was He wanted them, and us, to do.

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2 posted on 12/29/2020 11:14:05 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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This is a long read, but I believe you will find that it's an easy read that flows good. The last words of our Lord to His disciples was the Great Commission. Like those we love, when they pass on, it's usually the last moment and the last words they say which forever stay in our memory. Taking that into mind, it's only fitting that Christ saved the Great Commission to be the last words He shared with His disciples. He wanted them to remember forever what it was He wanted them, and us, to do.

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3 posted on 12/29/2020 11:14:40 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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From what I have read, it may be better for Africa to send missionaries here because their message is less corrupted than the one taught here in many churches.


4 posted on 12/29/2020 11:21:11 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: OneVike

So both men and women can preach the Gospel; no need for seminary or any sectarian Bible college.


5 posted on 12/29/2020 11:24:09 AM PST by SkyDancer
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Women are not allowed to teach men, however, when men abdicate their responsibility, God will use anyone He so choses.


6 posted on 12/29/2020 11:27:50 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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Deborah comes to mind. She was a Prophet, whom God used to win a huge battle because the man He chose wimped out. Judges chapter 4

Deborah was both a prophetess and ruler of the people of ancient Israel, the only woman among the twelve judges. She held court under the Palm Tree of Deborah in the hill country of Ephraim, deciding the people's disputes.

All was not well, however. The Israelites had been disobeying God, so God allowed Jabin, a king of Canaan, to oppress them. Jabin's general was named Sisera, and he intimidated the Hebrews with 900 iron chariots, powerful tools of war that struck terror into the hearts of foot soldiers.

Deborah, acting on guidance from God, sent for the warrior Barak, telling him the Lord had commanded Barak to gather 10,000 men from the tribes of Zebulun and Naphtali and lead them to Mount Tabor. Deborah promised to lure Sisera and his chariots into the Kishon Valley, where Barak would defeat them.

Instead of fully trusting God, Barak refused to go unless Deborah accompanied him to inspire the troops. She gave in but prophesied that the credit for the victory would go not to Barak but to a woman.

7 posted on 12/29/2020 11:33:45 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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You’ve misinterpreted the scripture verse where “women are to be quiet in church”. The first occasion of women preaching is Dorcas. This is a good explanation of what was going on in the church Paul was addressing:https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/priscilla-papers-academic-journal/does-1-timothy-2-prohibit-women-teaching-leading


8 posted on 12/29/2020 11:37:02 AM PST by SkyDancer
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NO, that is not the Scripture I refer to. this is the one.

And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
1 Timothy 2:12-15


Now, women can teach, but not men. As I stated in my commentary though, when men abdicate their responsibility women often times must step up. However, if they are teaching men on a Missionary, because no males are there to do so, once a qualified male teacher comes, she must step aside.

Women can teach other women, and children. However, she should also not be teaching older boys. They should have a male teacher. Thus the reason men are always Teen youth leaders in church.

Do not take offense, I just follow the Scriptures.
9 posted on 12/29/2020 11:46:14 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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One thing I do agree with you on. We do not need a degree from any man’s institution to teach, all we need is for the Holy Spirit to move us to learn and. go forward. It helps, because then you get good tutoring, but many a great teacher has been trained by God through the Holy Spirit.

I am one. I audited classes at a Seminary school, but never attained a degree. Most of what I know was taught to me through the years of hard self study and from good teachers I have listened to through the years.

I have studied the ancient teachers and taught myself to be able to read and understand some Koinonia Greek, and can decipher some Hebrew.

I think there are many good female teachers, but God set the order, not men. We must follow His guidance, and as long as we do He will bless what we do.


10 posted on 12/29/2020 11:54:10 AM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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Okay - but Paul was referring to what was happening in that particular church. So I guess women can’t teach in seminary and if they hear some guy saying something that is wrong concerning scripture we are to keep silent.


11 posted on 12/29/2020 12:03:02 PM PST by SkyDancer
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Some men during women suffrage movement said it was unBiblical for women to vote.


12 posted on 12/29/2020 12:04:01 PM PST by SkyDancer
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You need to read my article I wrote on the 19th amendment.

I do not think it is unbiblical for women to vote, but if men did what God commanded them to do, then women would not have wanted to vote. Because things would not have been in such a bad state for women.

Try as some may, God set the hierarchy up, not Paul, Paul just reiterated His stance.


13 posted on 12/29/2020 12:20:36 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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Man’s world and since time immemorial women had to fight for equality.


14 posted on 12/29/2020 12:51:19 PM PST by SkyDancer
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“NO, that is not the Scripture I refer to. this is the one... ‘And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence’ —1 Timothy 2:12-15”

The article that SkyDancer posted a link to is a good one. However, I would add a VERY important clarification on the above passage.

The Bible does NOT gives a general command by which women are supposed to submit to men. That is FALSE and a lie from Hell.

We ALL must submit to authority. Children to parents. Citizens to government. Church members to church leaders. Etc. But only when directed to do what is right, never to do evil.

But here is the important clarification: the Greek words for man and woman also are the same words for husband and wife. In English we have different words. So, translators must use context to determine which is correct for a specific passage.

Clearly Paul and others admonish WIVES to submit to their own (respective) HUSBANDS’ leadership. It would be the height of foolishness to advocate for all women to submit to all men. Nor are wives commanded by scripture to submit to another woman’s husband, but to their own.

Here are a couple of links that support the proper definitions of the original words used in the scriptures:

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G435/aner.htm

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G1135/gune.htm

Would you counsel your wife, mother, daughter, or sister to obey any man who tells them to do something? What if a strange man tells one of them, “Come get in my car?” Should she OBEY because she is a woman and the person ordering her is a man? This is obviously NOT the case.


15 posted on 12/29/2020 1:57:56 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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We can teach men in 99.99% of any discipline but can't teach anything from scripture; I can teach men how to fly planes but can't teach them anything about scripture nor can I bring up false teaching because we're not allowed to refute that.

I brought a Mormon pilot who I was flying with to Christ and his family as well. Was I wrong? I wasn't supposed to teach him true Biblical scripture?

16 posted on 12/29/2020 2:38:26 PM PST by SkyDancer
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You completely took out of context what I referred to.


17 posted on 12/29/2020 3:10:59 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: unlearner
I speak as in teaching the Bible. That is what the original discussion we had was about. You should have read the first comment I responded to. I was not referring to in general as to how a woman should respond to all men.

I did state in my commentary, if you would have read it. Here is the pertinent paragraph.

It's worth noting that in the missionary field women have, and still do, out number the men in third World countries. Thus, often times they found themselves in positions that men usually held. Women would be the teachers, preachers, and head of missionaries as they awaited qualified men to take charge. These experiences led to unprecidented equality women seldom enjoyed. By the end of the 18th century their voice became part of the women's suffrage movement. Mainly because when they returned home, they again found themselves forced to take a back seat to the men. Many of them would resent this and join the suffrage movement.


I made no statement as to what my opinion of such a world it was, but rather I wrote this as a mater of fact. It was what it was.

As for teaching the Scriptures, women cannot teach men. Period! No woman can be the head pastor. Period! And women should not be teaching older boys in Church.

Like it to not. I do not back off, and I am not one to look down on women. God made the rules, NOT ME!
18 posted on 12/29/2020 3:18:46 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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And tell me where I ever said otherwise. I did not. The discussion here is about the missionary movement which shares the Gospel. aka the l Scriptures.

I did not write a commentary on the history of flying planes. So if a women wants to teach someone how to fly a plane, Fine, because God has no opinion on it, and Paul never wrote any apologetical letters on flying planes, nor did he even care about who would teach others how to fly a plane, cook a steak, or how to make purple dye.

The whole idea of this discussion is so far away from what I ever wrote it is ludicrous for me to comment on your opinion any longer.

And finally. I do realize that God used Priscilla to correct Apollos on some errant ideas he had. Yet she was not preaching to him, she shared the truth with him which was no where near being the head of a church, or teaching adult men.

Everything else outside the requirements of sharing the Scriptures is of the World, not of GOD, and of that I try to separate from my commentaries of the Scriptures, unless the World involves itself in the matters of God as Satan is often times wanting to do.


19 posted on 12/29/2020 3:30:05 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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“Was I wrong? I wasn’t supposed to teach him true Biblical scripture?”

You did the right thing. Clearly.

I agree with the article you posted, and your and your church’s approach seem reasonable. You have to follow your conscience also.

Paul points out that there is something especially persuasive about a woman with a meek and quiet spirit. God attributes great value to these qualities, especially in women. People can be won without words. And this applies to men using something other than mere words also.

However, the prohibition against women teaching is primarily about wives usurping their own husbands’ authority.

The early church met somewhat differently than we do today. Part of the order of meetings was similar to how our legislative bodies meet. It was not just gathering for a lecture (sermon). Often, decisions needed to be reached. It was the responsibility of leadership to facilitate consensus and agreement, not just on doctrine but also on action as a church.

Men participated and represented their own families. I’m sure leadership also took into account if there were ever cases where women and children were not directly represented by a believing husband/father. We see special instruction and attention given to caring for widows in the church.


20 posted on 12/29/2020 3:50:41 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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