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Yes, a Pope can be canonically deposed (Synod of Sutri 1046 AD vs Canon 332)
FROM ROME ^ | September 7, 2018 | Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Posted on 10/22/2020 8:51:12 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

There is a lot of talk about the Pope resigning, being constrained to resign, or being deposed...

Let’s consider the question, then, “Can a Pope be deposed?” by first defining our terms. Here, “pope” means the Bishop of Rome, who ex officio is the Vicar of Christ and the Successor of Saint Peter...

The first determination we must make is to distinguish the auxiliary verb “can”. A thing can be done physically, morally and legally. An enemy of the Church could arrest the Pope, force him under pain of death to sign a decree of abdication. That is a physical deposition. A moral deposition, is where the Pope is asked to resign and he acquiesces and signs a decree of resignation. A legal deposition, would be where the Church by trial and in Synod or Council removes him from office.

Clerics can be canonically, that is legally, removed from office by their superiors... But since the Pope has no superior on earth, being the Vicar of Christ, many think he cannot be canonically removed from office.

That argument sounds valid on the face of it, but the Synod of Sutri in 1046 argues against it. In that Synod, which the Church to this day considers canonically valid, the Clergy of the Diocese of Rome, at the invitation of the German King, Henry III, met to decide the fate of Pope Benedict IX and two other anti-popes Gregory VI and Sylvester III. Gregory VI claimed the papacy on account of having bought it from Benedict IX; Sylvester III claimed it, having been elected after mobs drove Benedict IX from Rome. Neither were canonically elected, nor true popes, regardless of what some historians say, because to be pope you must be canonically elected after the death or resignation of your predecessor...

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; popebenedictxvi; popefrancis
I am not Catholic but I take an interest when the so-called Pope Francis makes pronouncements that aren't even remotely Christian, like promoting homosexual unions in the church. I mean you can be gay, but don't pretend it is consistent with the Bible. Please find some other religion.
1 posted on 10/22/2020 8:51:12 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Commie Popie Frankie has already had almost as long as the Fraud had in office, to clean house and protect his fraudulent papacy.

Since 2013, CPF has been deceiving the world in his current role.


2 posted on 10/22/2020 8:56:03 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Thanks for posting this. Prayers up for Holy Mother Church.


3 posted on 10/22/2020 9:01:16 AM PDT by Bigg Red (#Hunterdidntkillhimself)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Don’t get too excited, most of the Cardinals who would select the next Pope were elevated by Pope Francis.


4 posted on 10/22/2020 9:12:30 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The present pope of the Catholic Church is Pope Benedict. HE STILL BELIEVES HE HAS THE CHARISMS OF THE PAPACY. Therefore, there are limited possibilities:

1) Pope Benedict is wrong; he does not have charisms of the papacy. But if this is true, then he has mistakenly (not willingly) renounced the papacy. Since a pope must WILLINGLY renounces the papacy, this is a self-contradicting notion.

2) Pope Benedict has expressed himself poorly; he intended to relinquish the charisms of the papacy despite his later statements.

3) Both Pope Benedict and Pope Francis are popes. This seems impossible.

4) Pope Francis was invalidly elevated. This has happened before, and therefore seems imminently possible.

Since only #2 and #4 are likely possible, and the truthfulness of #2 is unclear, #4 must be regarded as possible. In that case, we must look to the fruits, wherein we find that Pope Francis has sown utterly astounding moral confusion. While he has not directly invoked his infallibility to unambiguously proclaim heresy, he has plainly and unmistakably led anyone who follow him as a sheep follows a shepherd into heresy.


5 posted on 10/22/2020 9:15:52 AM PDT by dangus
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To: G Larry

Yes, but some of his picks have been the boldest in confronting him (e.g., Mueller), and many were promoted to their archdiocesan sees by previous popes in cases where it would be highly unusual to NOT elevate.


6 posted on 10/22/2020 9:23:56 AM PDT by dangus
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Communist leaders never resign.


7 posted on 10/22/2020 9:26:49 AM PDT by robel
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Yes. And it's possible to overturn a SCOTUS decision too. You just need to pass a constitutional amendment by getting two thirds of the members of the house and senate to agree on it and then three fourths of the states to approve it. Which is the same as to say 'sure, it could happen but it will not any time in the foreseeable future'.

As an aside: this is why the SCOTUS justices are our real overlords. They have life tenure, they can override the constitution on a whim, and it's virtually impossible to override them.

8 posted on 10/22/2020 9:28:12 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Sure . . . a few hundred people with pipes, pitchforks, guns and knives. . . .


9 posted on 10/22/2020 9:36:49 AM PDT by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
then how do they explain that Clement II is regarded by all subsequent Popes as canonically elected?

In my volume "The Popes: A Concise Biography", it was maintained that even though Benedict IX had also resigned himself, and one could (and perhaps should) take the resignation at face value, opening the door for a new pope.
10 posted on 10/22/2020 9:48:35 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Some years back, Bork called it the “liberal judiciocracy.”


11 posted on 10/22/2020 9:49:02 AM PDT by dsc (Do not pray for easy lives; pray to be stronger men.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

>Yes. And it’s possible to overturn a SCOTUS decision too. You just need to pass a constitutional amendment

Please reread Federalist #78 by Alexander Hamilton. I can’t imagine a self-respecting Freeper who hasn’t read it once. He certainly did not see such a requirement in a government of divided powers and coequal branches.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed78.asp

And then refer to the response of Andrew Jackson to Worcester v Georgia (1832). A President and 34 senators (blocking impeachment) can nix any SCOTUS pronouncement.


12 posted on 10/22/2020 9:51:53 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: dangus

To use the technical term from Catholic theology: BINGO!


13 posted on 10/22/2020 10:06:43 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: Campion

:)


14 posted on 10/22/2020 12:05:35 PM PDT by Bigg Red (#Hunterdidntkillhimself)
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