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Tensions Grow Between a San Diego Church and the Neighborhood Around It
San Diego Tribune via MSN ^
| Andrea Lopez-Villafaña
Posted on 07/28/2020 5:43:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
It started as an issue with parking on a Logan Heights block.
Now tensions between a largely Latino neighborhood and a long-standing, Latin-only Catholic Church have spilled over into social media conflicts, threats and calls for police intervention, evidence of a disconnect between a church and its neighbors.
Logan Heights is a predominantly residential single-family home neighborhood where Latino residents make up more than half the population. It's bordered by the Barrio Logan community and Interstate-15. About 74 percent of households there earn less than $60,000 a year, according to the San Diego Association of Governments, or SANDAG.
St. Anne Catholic Church holds Mass in Latin there seven days a week and has a large following of parishioners, mostly from outside the neighborhood. The church belongs to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and, before pandemic restrictions stopped indoor Masses earlier this month, its attendance averaged more than 200 people, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego said. Now the church celebrates Mass in its courtyard.
Residents on Irving Avenue, across the street from St. Anne's, recently described conflicts over parking and over Black Lives Matter signs and instances of church members calling police on residents.
Fred Edwards, who lives near the church, said a woman from the church called the San Diego Police Department on his son, who is Black, as he sat in his parked car outside their home on July 26. Edwards said five officers responded, saying there was a complaint that the church was being threatened and that a woman was being harassed.
"I told the officers, 'y'all messed up. ... There are people harassing the community, making false accusations'," Edwards said.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: blacklivesmatter; blm; catholicchurch; church; sandiego
“It can be confusing - it is a “Latin” Mass not a “Latino” Mass....”
posted on 07/28/2020 5:54:36 PM PDT
Weird. Latinos as a whole are not even into the BLM movement, which they, or at least one woman, accuse the church of ignoring. This woman seems obsessed by the church members Trump bumper stickers (which she says make her feel unsafe) and the fact that they dont wear masks.
What a bizarre story.
posted on 07/28/2020 6:07:02 PM PDT
Perhaps “activists” are causing the dispute.
posted on 07/28/2020 6:08:30 PM PDT
(The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
posted on 07/28/2020 6:13:20 PM PDT
by Big Red Badger
(READ,,,Stanford Prison Experiment)
“...Latino neighborhood and a long-standing, Latin-only Catholic Church...”
Wouldn’t ‘Latinos’ feel right at home in a Latin-only Catholic Church?
On another note, this use of words to describe races and groups has bothered me for a while. ‘Black’ doesn’t really mean black. A person from India might well have blacker skin, but they aren’t ‘black’.
A person whose parents immigrated from Egypt, isn’t an ‘African-American’. ‘Latino’ does not describe an Italian, even though Latin comes from Italy. I don’t think Portuguese or Brazilians count as ‘Latinos’ either even though Portuguese comes from Latin. How about Romanians or the French? Aren’t they Latino as well?
Blacks from the Dominican Republic don’t count as blacks when counting the numbers of blacks on a baseball team.
Lord knows we can’t just refer to people as people. How could we be divided.
posted on 07/28/2020 6:27:54 PM PDT
Perhaps activists are causing the dispute
posted on 07/28/2020 6:51:42 PM PDT
The BLM narrative ain’t “bueno” in our community - most could give a rip. Seriously.
Not buying this story unless a Soros lackey got paid off to harass the church.
posted on 07/28/2020 6:53:37 PM PDT
(Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
Just torch the church. End of problem and Jabba the Nadler will defend it as an act of peaceful protest.
Now you stepped in it.
By definition, any European (White) that is Portuguese, Italian, Spanish, French, Romanisch Swiss, Romanian, and Moldovan could be defined as “LATIN”. Or Latino.
I always call out Latin American Mestizos who claim they are “Latino”. No they’re not. When you start calling Mezo-Americans and Incans “Latin”, you start to dive into the BS rabbit hole.
Simplest way to define it is this: If you’re talking about race, only Europeans from the above nations qualify as Latino/Latin. If you are referring to people from Central/South America, call them Hispanic - although that too is historically & politically incorrect.
The difference is that they’ll accept it.
posted on 07/28/2020 7:01:53 PM PDT
(Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
These are white people who bought out the church from a Mexican family.
They don't believe in diversity? Calling the cops because the people in a church that you don't go to aren't wearing masks is harassment.
posted on 07/28/2020 7:22:52 PM PDT
by Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics)
Your discussion is one reason why affirmative action is such a bad joke.
The “favored groups” keep getting sliced and diced in different ways, and of course anyone with mixed blood of any kind can easily game the system.
Democrats are racists, and that means they arbitrarily define “races” and discriminate in favor of some people and against others based on that arbitrary distinction.
posted on 07/28/2020 8:31:44 PM PDT
(Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
It’s Cali... not too hard for $0R0$ to get in the door :\
posted on 07/28/2020 9:02:43 PM PDT
We need to make a chart of about 200 designated numbers to match the color of skin..
Only problem is, you would change numbers with the seasons >.<
posted on 07/28/2020 9:05:16 PM PDT
I’ve attended this church on visits to San Diego. I highly recommend it, as the gold standard of Christian worship—the Traditional Latin Mass—takes place there. It is near an I-5 freeway interchange a couple of miles south of downtown, so it is easy to get to.
posted on 07/28/2020 10:00:38 PM PDT
On another note, this use of words to describe races and groups has bothered me for a while. Black doesnt really mean black. A person from India might well have blacker skin, but they arent black.
Lord knows we cant just refer to people as people. How could we be divided.
The term "Hispanic" refers to anyone from countries/areas that were colonized by Spain, Spain itself, or their descendants. Which is the majority of Mexico and south, as well as large parts of the Caribbean. Basically, native Spanish-speakers. So that excludes places like Brasil (Portugal), Guyana (Britain), Suriname (Netherlands), French Guiana (still owned by France today), Belize (Britain), and much of the Caribbean, yet does include many from these US. Technically, everything west of the Mississippi, Florida, and southern Alabama/Miss were all under Spanish control at some point, so many people from those areas could be "Hispanic".
To add to that, "Latino" refers to anyone from Latin America, basically anything south of these US. There are various definitions for this one, some of which include any countries whose language is in the Latin/Romance branch. But the more widely used one here, and how the US Census defines it, is basically anyone south of the border.
To add in even more stuff, people recently started using the term "Chicano", which is specifically Mexicans that live in these US. I don't know if that term includes dual citizens, or is only Mexican citizens living here. Or if it includes their descendants or just first generation immigrants.
For more, the term "Mestizo" is anyone of mixed European and tribal American blood. While most people only think of Mayan/Aztec heritage in the Mexican/Central American area, it does technically include Chocktaw, Chickasaw, Creek, Inca, Seminole, Nazca, Blackfoot, etc etc etc heritage as well. Most people in these US probably fall under this category by now. Really, likely almost everyone in N/S America.
And of course, "African-American". Ever ask a black guy what part of Africa he's from? The huge majority of American blacks have never been to Africa, much less come from there. They might have African-American heritage, but they themselves are only American. This is one of the dumbest colloquial terms in my opinion. Is a black guy from England an "African-American"? Why not? Isn't he black? I've met two people at work, one's pretty white, the other mostly is. Both are Afrikaaners, so from South Africa, before they moved here. They are, actual, real-life, African Americans. But they aren't black?
And then to get into the actual 'races' within humanity. While our race is really just "human", you can break us more into subspecies. Similar to how all dogs are one species, or 'race', but are broken into the various breeds/subspecies. Likewise, humans can be broken into several breeds within our race, which are then referred to as 'races'. Scientifically, there's not a full consensus on exactly which ones are/aren't, but it's usually 3-5 options. Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid are the main ones, then some will add a fourth, Australoid (ususally included in Negroid), and others occasionally use Esquimaux (Mongoloid), Capoid (Negroid), Polynesian/Pacific (Mongoloid), American Tribes (Mongoloid), and some other minor ones.
Most of these classifications is base on skull shape, and other physical definitions, not really skin color. (There's light-skinned Negroids, and dark-skinned Caucasoids. Mongoloids tend to be more middling-light, but some of them can get pretty dark.) But, there's a bunch of scientists nowadays that don't even use these race classifications, and say there's just no such thing as race. They like the term "ethnicity" better, and conveniently break it up into 5,000+ different groups, instead of three or four.
For most US government documents, the "race" column is completely arbitrary, confusing, and not well designed. Useless, really. I always check "other" and write-in "human". There was actually potential legislation ten or twenty years back about amending the definition of Hispanic to include Portugal/Portuguese countries. It failed.
The story doesnt sound likely to me either. Its always possible, as you say, that some group is behind her...and of course, the press, which naturally reports this as if she represents the entire neighborhood and community.
posted on 07/29/2020 4:28:49 AM PDT
“Latinos as a whole are not even into the BLM movement, which they, or at least one woman, accuse the church of ignoring.”
Which is obviously their right.
posted on 07/29/2020 4:37:25 AM PDT
(Obama corrupted, sought to weaken and fundamentally change America; he didn't plan on being stopped.)
“Chicano”, which is specifically Mexicans that live in these US. I don’t know if that term includes dual citizens, or is only Mexican citizens living here. Or if it includes their descendants or just first generation immigrants.
Chicano was in use in the 60s and referred to people who traced ancestry back to Mexicoat the time it usually referred to people born in U.S.
posted on 07/29/2020 7:50:37 AM PDT
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