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To: Jim Noble; Mom MD; Red6

“Childish?” “Squabbles?”
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According to Romish doctrine, I am doomed to eternal Hell, because I believe in justification by grace through faith alone. Because I am certain of my salvation and I believe in the security of the believer, I have committed “the mortal sin of presumption.” I do not go to purgatory, I go straight to Hell, unless I come to them for absolution. Not happenin’

Acoording to Romish doctrine, if I do not come to them for baptism, then I am still in original sin. How can their be any salvation outside of their church if this is true?

As for quoting scripture, the Bible cannot be interpreted outside of their Catholic church. Only their church can say what that passage or what any passage means.

If you are saying that all religion is childish and so all religious squabbles are therefore foolish, then I understand that position, the position of so many American youth today, but I do not think that is what you meant. You probably meant that doctrine does not matter. Which is in itself a fundamental religious doctrine. We would need the voice of God Himself to tell us that you are right about that.

Luther stood on the Word, while his inquisitors squabbled about it. Must we shut up while the Catholic church continues to teach and preach their doctrine, is that what you mean? Not happenin’.

(By the way Jim, you are a fine FReeper here and I always enjoy your contribution especially in the science related matters but everything else too. Thanks!)


16 posted on 06/11/2020 8:01:50 AM PDT by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: BDParrish

Luther never wanted to split from the Catholic church. That is a well documented fact. So if you want to follow Luther...

Those were wheels he set in motion (unforeseen consequences) in Worms that he could no longer stop, in part because of Gutenberg and some nobles that saw this as a way to no longer pay Rome.

Ironically, Luther’s reforms were Orthodox, i.e. returning the church to it’s original ideas and today most of the very liberal ideas are found in churches which bear his name. Talk about rolling in your grave! Could you imagine Luther today, hearing a tattooed female pastor using obscenities in service in a church where homosexuals can get married and they are unwilling to take a stance against abortion? And the church has his name on it!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Bolz-Weber


22 posted on 06/11/2020 8:28:53 AM PDT by Red6
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