Posted on 02/19/2020 6:39:30 PM PST by marshmallow
“Please someone tell me how the masons core belief that as long as you worship “the creator” you are included in their club is different that your ccc 841 which says the same and has been affirmed with a couple different popes?”
That’s a nonsensical question since the Masons don’t have a core belief. It’s not a religion, it’s a fraternity. So to say the masons “believe” anything is a misunderstanding. It’s like asking what does a bowling league believe.
What the masons require of its members, however, is to believe in a supreme being and the immortality of the soul, and to be a person of good repute.
Are you a freemason?
I am.
You might know?
Do Masons embrace a concept like Taquiyya as well?
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“To all of which I do most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear
Any idea of what this actually refers to?”
The rest of the obligation. These - or similar language, the ceremonies do vary somewhat from place to place - are just the last line of each.
Also, it is made quite clear that the language is symbolic. Symbolic death (i.e. expulsion from membership) is the most severe penalty that can be imposed. The fuller meaning and rationale for the language becomes clear later on. It’s no more of a “blood oath” than “cross my heart and hope to die” is.
Don’t know.
"Eight popes over 200 years in a barrage of 20 legal interdicts have condemned Freemasonry, pronouncing automatic excommunication against any Catholic who becomes a member of a masonic lodge. "
Thanks for your honesty.
Are you a catholic?
“Did you take any oath like in post 10 and would you admit it if you did?”
The language is a little different in my jurisdiction, but that’s the general gist of it. At least, the gist of the last line. There’s a lot more to the obligation than what you posted. BTW, they’re obligations, not oaths. An oath is swearing that what you say is true. An obligation is a promise to act in a certain way.
All masons have taken them. I’ve also served as master of my lodge, so I’ve administered them to others.
What’s with the 7 at the bottom of your posts?
“Thanks for your honesty. Are you a catholic?”
Not if you mean Roman Catholic. If you mean small-c catholic that you wrote, I’d agree to that ;)
Mark
Not true headline.
didn't it strike you as a bit odd the first time you were asked to recite it?
Why the 7?
You can read all silly/sad the details on my home page here but
you'll have to scroll almost all the way to the bottom.
Basically it's just message terminator.
If it's missing you'll know it's not me.
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In the quote from GLarry's post #10, "swear" is mentioned four times. Sure sounds like an oath to me.
“I believe that most US lodges(temples?) are benign towards the Church...”
I’m a master Mason, and a Past Master, and a member of three lodges in Washington State. Religion is not an issue we deal with, we offer membership to anyone that has a belief in a deity. In the lodges I attend there is a representation from almost all recognized religions. And the Craft encourages attendance at each member’s chosen church. We are neither a religious organization, or a cult. Just a group of men trying to help the world through Charities and service.
Don’t believe everything you’re told. The Catholic Church ordered its members not to join the Freemasons in the year 1738. And their animosity has not changed.
In the early 60’s President John Kennedy, a celebrated Catholic, ordered all the lodges off all military installations.
The military goes back a long way with the Craft and our country’s history. 24 of the 56 signers of the Declaration and 13 of the 39 who signed the Constitution were Masons. Names like George Washington, Ben Franklyn, Paul Revere, William Dawes, and many others. It is commonly believed that the lodge rooms of a Boston Masonic Lodge served as the dressing room for the so-called Indians who threw the Boston Tea Party. Masonic Presidents include George Washington, James Munroe, Andrew Jackson, James K. Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James A. Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Warren G. Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and Gerald Ford. Evidence exists to suggest that James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were also Masons.
We don’t attack the church anymore than we attack this great country. They attack us. And we pray for them.
rwood
"Cards are as good as murder, if cards do the trick."
Meaning that Satan doesn't care whether the sin is spectacular or not, as long as he gets your soul.
Good advice but if the oaths/obligations are anything like
they have been described in this thread I just
can't imagine what types of individuals would want
to be part of such a group and I would be very reluctant to
believe anything they say:
If members take the oaths/obligations in jest they mock oaths/obligations.
If members take the oaths/obligations seriously they appear to be demonic.
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Sounds like, "in for a penny in for a pound".
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Until tomorrow folks.
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If members take the oaths/obligations seriously they appear to be demonic.
My jaw dropped when I read this.
Your snap judgement about something you know nothing about floors me. I suspect that if it was good enough for a large number of our Founding Fathers it didn't appear demonic to them.
I'm not a Mason but my Dad was and he never mentioned anything about it to me. I never knew of him attending a lodge meeting even once, but my mother put the Masonic symbol on his headstone. I have some small keepsakes from my maternal Grandfather and there is a small masonic trowel in the box, yet nothing about his being in the masonic lodge was ever mentioned to me. My Father-in-law was a Mason and a Shriner yet he never spoke to me about it or suggested recruiting me.
Shriners Hospitals accept any child not just children of Masons, and they do it all free for the patient and family. It's obviously not an evil cabal. So you are way off base and showing your own personal bias.
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