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World War I and 'Christ the King Sunday' (today)
Patheos ^ | Nov 2018 | Chris Gehrz

Posted on 11/24/2019 2:36:29 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Even if you’re a Protestant who doesn’t accept the magisterial authority of the bishop who founded tomorrow’s feast, you can use Christ the King Sunday to reflect on the political allegiance that, for Christians, trumps all others. You can decide whether you think Pius is right both to emphasize that Christ’s “kingdom is spiritual and is concerned with spiritual things” and yet still has some authority “in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power.”

The 20th century notion of dedicating one Sunday each autumn to Christ the King emerged out of the Catholic Church’s ongoing wrestling with the worst war to that point in European history.

"On every side the dread phantom of war holds sway: there is scarce room for another thought in the minds of men. The combatants are the greatest and wealthiest nations of the earth..."

Benedict lamented the following summer, as he again appealed to all combatants to “put an end at last to this horrible slaughter..."

In 1922 Pius XI did like his predecessor and dedicated his first encyclical to the subject of peace: The belligerents of yesterday have laid down their arms but on the heels of this act we encounter new horrors...

Most notably, a revolution in Russia that replaced a devoutly Christian monarch with the “Red nightmare” of the “atheistic and bolshevistic Communism."

He reiterated that “as long as individuals and states refused to submit to the rule of our Savior, there would be no really hopeful prospect of a lasting peace among nations. Men must look for the peace of Christ in the Kingdom of Christ…” Hence the need for “a special feast in honor of the Kingship of Christ.”

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Catholic service in an Austrian military hospital in 1916

1 posted on 11/24/2019 2:36:29 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

That is a well preserved picture.


2 posted on 11/24/2019 2:50:21 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Also when a Catholic parish has both the TLM and NO masses,the priest has to keep the homily for both Sundays.


3 posted on 11/24/2019 2:51:58 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

“hat is a well preserved picture”

Having restored photos in a wet photp lab, i find the abilities of the new computer programs to bring out the almost unseeable parts of old photos and negatives is like magic.


4 posted on 11/24/2019 3:24:29 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: fproy2222

You need to see the documentary on how “They Shall Not Grow Old” was made. There was some footage that was just black with flickers of gray. Total loss. How they pulled out the images is unbelievable.


5 posted on 11/24/2019 3:30:57 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: Bommer

I looked on youtube and there are a bunch under that title. Is it the one with the director?


6 posted on 11/24/2019 3:42:09 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Gamecock; HarleyD; Luircin; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
Even if you’re a Protestant who doesn’t accept the magisterial authority of the bishop...You can decide whether you think Pius is right both to emphasize that Christ’s “kingdom is spiritual and is concerned with spiritual things” and yet still has some authority “in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power.”

Oh, you mean the pope has authority in civil affairs. Yes, there are many here I perceive who long for a Catholic monarchy and the good ol days of the Inquisition and all its means, and thus silence all us who expose and reprove her fallacies:

Q. 539. What do we mean by the "temporal power" of the Pope?

A. By the temporal power of the Pope we mean the right which the Pope has as a temporal or ordinary ruler to govern the states and manage the properties that have rightfully come into the possession of the Church.

Q. 540. How did the Pope acquire and how was he deprived of the temporal power?

A. The Pope acquired the temporal power in a just manner by the consent of those who had a right to bestow it. He was deprived of it in an unjust manner by political changes. http://baltimore-catechism.com/lesson12.htm :

Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors): "[It is error to believe that] The (Catholic) Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect." Section V, Errors Concerning the Church and Her Rights, #24. (http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P9SYLL.HTM)

The penal jurisdiction of the medieval Church included, therefore, first the merely ecclesiastical offences, e.g. heresy, schism, apostasy, etc.; then the merely civil offences; finally the mixed offences, e.g. sins of the flesh, sacrilege, blasphemy, magic, perjury, usury, etc. In punishing offences of a purely ecclesiastical character the Church disposed unreservedly of the aid of the State for the execution of the penalty.

The Church has the right, as a perfect and independent society provided with all the means for attaining its end,...the right to admonish or warn its members, ecclesiastical or lay, who have not conformed to its laws and also, if needful to punish them by physical means, that is, coercive jurisdiction. — Catholic Encyclopedia Jurisdiction

Pope Innocent III, Cum ex Officii Nostri of 1207: In order altogether to remove the patrimony of St. Peter from heretics, we decree as a perpetual law, that whatsoever heretic, especially if he be a Patarene, shall be found therein, shall immediately be taken and delivered to the secular court to be punished according to the law.

All his goods also shall be sold, so that he who took him shall receive one part; another shall go the court which convicted him, and the third shall be applied to the building of prisons in the country wherein he was taken. The house, however, in which a heretic has been received shall be altogether destroyed, nor shall anyone presume to rebuild it; but let that which was a den of iniquity become a receptacle of filth. Moreover, their believers and defenders shall be fined one fourth part of their goods, which shall be applied to the service of the public. — Cum ex Officii Nostri Pope Innocent III, 1207, Inquisition, by Edward Peters, p. 49

Pope Innocent IV, Ad extirpanda:

(25) Those convicted of heresy by the aforesaid Diocesan Bishop,surrogate or inquisitors, shall be taken in shackles to the head of state or ruler or his special representative, instantly, or at least within five days, and the latter shall apply the regulations promulgated against such persons.{7} (26)The head of state or ruler must force all the heretics whom he has in custody,{8} provided he does so without killing them or breaking their arms or legs, as actual robbers and murderers of souls and thieves of the sacraments of God and Christian faith, to confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know, and specify their motives, {9} and those whom they have seduced, and those who have lodged them and defended them, as thieves and robbers of material goods are made to accuse their accomplices and confess the crimes they have committed.

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council (canon 3), 1215:

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith;..

St. Thomas Aquinas (13th century).

there are unbelievers who at some time have accepted the faith, and professed it, such as heretics and all apostates: such should be submitted even to bodily compulsion, that they may fulfil what they have promised, and hold what they, at one time, received". — Living Tradition, Organ of the Roman Theological Forum, http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt119.html

“[It is error to believe that] Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.” -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section X (http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm)

"....Constitutions can be changed, and non-Catholic sects may decline to such a point that the political proscription [ban] of them may become feasible and expedient. What protection would they have against a Catholic state? What protection would they then have against a Catholic State? The latter could logically tolerate only such religious activities as were confined to the members of the dissenting group. It could not permit them to carry on general propaganda nor accord their organization certain privileges that had formerly been extended to all religious corporations, for example, exemption from taxation. [But] the danger of religious intolerance toward non-Catholics in the United States is so improbable and so far in the future that it should not occupy their time or attention." — The State and the Church (1922), pp.38,39, by Monsignor (and professor) John Augustine Ryan (1869–1945), imprimatur of Cardinal Hayes (http://maritain.nd.edu/jmc/etext/sac002.htm).

7 posted on 11/24/2019 4:12:46 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: fproy2222; Mark17
AHhhh…

We have an experience in common!

When I was in the Air Force (back when pterodactyls were flying) we recorded data on 400’ rolls of TriX film.

One day; after processing one of them, the entire roll had been exposed and the emulsion was just black everywhere.

I saw that this was useless and tossed in into the trash.

(Did I mention we considered the data captured on film to be top secret?)

I escaped being court martialed, received a SEVERE warning and was told that Langley could have possibly extracted the data anyway; ‘somehow’.

8 posted on 11/24/2019 5:03:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Did you ever do stereo with overlapping strips?


9 posted on 11/24/2019 5:24:16 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: daniel1212

There are some Roman Catholics who deny this. They claim they don’t have to be subject to their pope in defiance of Roman Catholic dogma on this issue.


10 posted on 11/24/2019 5:42:26 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Elsie; fproy2222; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; metmom
When I was in the Air Force (back when pterodactyls were flying)

Gee whiz bro, I didn’t know you were a dinosaur. 😁 I was in the Air Force too, but the pterodactyls has been retired from the Air Force inventory by then. F-4s were the hottest aircraft they were flying at the time.
I was always proud to wear Air Force blue. My son, Air Force 2nd Lieutenant ARG, is also proud to wear Air Force Blue. 😁 He is still flying, and his aircraft still goes faster than your grand son’s Army tank. I am sure your grand son is well aware of this. 😁😆👍👊

11 posted on 11/24/2019 5:46:53 PM PST by Mark17 (Dad of Air Force Officer in pilot training. Air Force aircraft, go much faster than Army tanks)
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To: daniel1212
Even if you’re a Protestant who doesn’t accept the magisterial authority of the bishop...You can decide whether you think Pius is right both to emphasize that Christ’s “kingdom is spiritual and is concerned with spiritual things” and yet still has some authority “in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power.”

What rationalization for a blatant power grab by the Roman organization that calls itself a church.

Jesus said that HIS kingdom was not of this world.

Roman Catholicism needs to worry more about the spiritual realm of which Christ's church is part of than grabbing power by decree in the temporal world.

12 posted on 11/24/2019 6:06:53 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212
How do you get from "Jesus Christ ought to be recognized by all nations as King" to "the temporal power of the Pope"?

The Pope's temporal power never amounted to much outside central Italy anyway, and was de facto dead and gone long before 1922. The feast of Christ the King had nothing to do with it in the old rite, and has even less to do with it in the new.

13 posted on 11/24/2019 7:33:51 PM PST by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: ealgeone
We reject your made-up definition of "subject to," which has no relationship to actual Catholic dogma.

Read this and this (scroll down to Article V) ... carefully.

Note that both of them agree that obedience is not owed to human authorities who command one to sin, nor is obedience owed outside that authority's lawful sphere of authority. Note further that this would have been thoroughly familiar to Boniface VIII when he wrote Unam Sanctam, which quotes extensively from Aquinas.

14 posted on 11/24/2019 7:50:35 PM PST by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Campion
How does the Roman Catholic, who is unable to draw a correct understanding of Scripture without aid of their clergy, know what is or isn’t right when their leadership introduces something knew to believe?

You are just a lay Roman Catholic with no authority to render a decision on this. You are at the mercy of RC leadership on these issues.

If you say otherwise you’re making the case of the Reformers.

15 posted on 11/24/2019 8:03:24 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: fproy2222
No. That would be aerial photography.

We collected electronic data, displayed it on an oscilloscope and recorded the stuff on a continuously running film strip.

16 posted on 11/25/2019 4:56:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17
I am sure your grand son is well aware of this.

No doubt.

Different tools for different jobs.

17 posted on 11/25/2019 4:59:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Different tools for different jobs.

No doubt. I just told my son not to do ANY enlisted time WHATSOEVER, so he could avoid all the hassles I had to put up with. He took my advice, and got a USAF commission. He wanted to fly, but he didn’t want to fly Army helicopters, so he went USAF. 👍

18 posted on 11/25/2019 6:49:26 AM PST by Mark17 (Dad of Air Force Officer in pilot training. Air Force aircraft, go much faster than Army tanks)
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To: Elsie

You know you are getting old when your main bird is retired from active.


19 posted on 11/25/2019 9:04:26 AM PST by fproy2222
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To: Campion
How do you get from "Jesus Christ ought to be recognized by all nations as King" to "the temporal power of the Pope"?

How? "kingdom is spiritual and is concerned with spiritual things” and yet still has some authority “in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power.”

And what entity and its earthly head historically claimed to be Gods agent with power to command her secular rulers to achieve her ends even by physical means? The Methodists?

The Pope's temporal power never amounted to much outside central Italy

Since when were papal decrees and those of a ecumenical council (and one sometimes called the "Great Council") restricted to one nation? Did Ferdinand & Isabella think they were?

Arguing that Rome somewhat failed in scope to effectively exercise temporal power is no argument against her presumption to do so.

20 posted on 11/25/2019 12:31:17 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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