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Pope Francis says he felt ‘bitterness’ when introduced to Catholic converts in Africa
LifeSite News ^ | September 27, 2019 | Dorothy Cummings McLean

Posted on 09/28/2019 11:32:30 AM PDT by ebb tide

Pope Francis says he felt ‘bitterness’ when introduced to Catholic converts in Africa

VATICAN CITY, September 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― In a question-and-answer session with Jesuits in Mozambique, Pope Francis underscored his dislike of “proselytization” by condemning the actions of a Catholic woman he had met that day. 

The Argentinian pontiff’s September 5 remarks were published yesterday in the Holy See’s news website Vatican News.

“Today I felt a certain bitterness after a meeting with young people,” Pope Francis told the assembled Jesuits.  

“A woman approached me with a young man and a young woman. I was told they were part of a slightly fundamentalist movement,” he continued. 

“She said to me in perfect Spanish: ‘Your Holiness, I am from South Africa. This boy was a Hindu and converted to Catholicism. This girl was Anglican and converted to Catholicism.’ But she told me in a triumphant way, as though she was showing off a hunting trophy. I felt uncomfortable and said to her, ‘Madam, evangelization yes, proselytism no.’”

Pope Francis seemed to believe that the young people had been coerced in some way, for he told his listeners that whereas “evangelization is free,” “proselytism … makes you lose your freedom.” 

“Proselytism is incapable of creating a religious path in freedom,” he said. 

“It always sees people being subjugated in one way or another. In evangelization the protagonist is God, in proselytism it is the I.”

Pope Francis continued by saying that there were “many forms of proselytism’ and that “the one practiced by soccer teams, acquiring fans, is all right, obviously!”

“And then it is clear that there are those forms of proselytism for commerce and business, for political parties,” he added.  

“Proselytism is widespread, we know that. But it doesn’t have to be the case with us. We must evangelize, which is very different from proselytizing.”

The pontiff repeated the old story about St. Francis telling his friars to evangelize and “if necessary, use words, too.”   

“Evangelization is essentially witness,” Francis continued.  

“Proselytizing is convincing, but it is all about membership and takes your freedom away.”

He cited an address Benedict XVI gave at the Shrine of Our Lady of Aparecida in Brazil during his visit in 2017. The German pontiff had said that the Church does not engage in proselytism.

“Instead, she grows by ‘attraction’: just as Christ ‘draws all to himself’ by the power of his love, culminating in the sacrifice of the Cross, so the Church fulfils her mission to the extent that, in union with Christ, she accomplishes every one of her works in spiritual and practical imitation of the love of her Lord,” Benedict continued. 

Catholics expressed their dismay about Francis’ rejection of the South African lady on social media. British Father Evan Julce contrasted Pope Francis’ approached with that of St. Padre Pio when an enthusiastic lady addressed him. 

“A woman excitedly told Padre Pio that there was a prophecy that a Franciscan would convert 1/3 of the world,” Julce recalled over Twitter

“The saintly Padre responded: ‘what would I want with only 1/3? I want everyone to come to Christ,’” he continued. 

“He didn’t spurn her. Her spurred her (and himself) to  work more.”

A Twitter user named Heather replied, “I feel so sad for this lady. She was probably just so excited for the Pope to meet her convert friends.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: commiepope; conversion; francischurch; jesuit
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“A woman approached me with a young man and a young woman. I was told they were part of a slightly fundamentalist movement,” he continued.

To the best of my knowledge, the only Catholics that Francis labels "fundamentalist" are the traditional Catholics.

1 posted on 09/28/2019 11:32:30 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/28/2019 11:33:36 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

‘Twould appear that the most formidable enemy of a Catholic is a Jesuit.


3 posted on 09/28/2019 11:35:47 AM PDT by Da Coyote (eh)
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To: ebb tide

Perhaps he has crucifixes covered when he’s nearby, like Obama did.


4 posted on 09/28/2019 11:38:35 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: ebb tide
"But she told me in a triumphant way, as though she was showing off a hunting trophy. I felt uncomfortable and said to her, ‘Madam, evangelization yes, proselytism no.’”

Just appalling. This young woman sincerely believed she just saved two souls. This imbecilic FAKE Catholic "Pope" is doing incalculable damage to the church.

5 posted on 09/28/2019 11:39:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: ebb tide

This “pope” is a disgrace. ILL Papa, indeed.


6 posted on 09/28/2019 11:40:19 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: ebb tide

You all know the Pope had a shart two days ago.

Soiled the pope mobile and had to stop a McDonald’s, where he used and entire roll of TP to wipe.

Even got some on his thumb before getting back to telling the world how God love communism.


7 posted on 09/28/2019 11:42:02 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: ebb tide

There you go.

He’s desperate to rid himself of us, making such a scene, “bitterly” judging against a woman whom he so wickedly characterizes as a “proselytizer” to defame her and anyone else who speaks of the Traditional Church

He needs to take his complaint to the Lord JESUS, the Christ, for more counsel.

He is the Pelosi, dutifully leading the wing of the Globalists. Mercy come, upon the Holy Church.


8 posted on 09/28/2019 11:43:06 AM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christ Rey! Publik Ed/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming. Infinitum.)
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To: ebb tide

Omg! Literally.


9 posted on 09/28/2019 11:44:15 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant.)
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To: Da Coyote
It is sure looking that way . . . the woman who is closer to Christ than the fake pope made him feel uncomfortable.

Didn't Jesus Christ make the religious leaders at his time feel uncomfortable as well? Why do you suppose that was?

10 posted on 09/28/2019 11:44:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Just think about how the two converts, themselves, felt!

Francis certainly wasn’t calling Hindus or Anglicans “fundamentaliist”. He wouldn’t dare insult other religions, he only insults his fellow Catholics.

Francis even discouraged the late Evangelical Bishop, Tony Parker, from his thoughts of converting to Catholicism.


11 posted on 09/28/2019 11:49:12 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: windsorknot

I wonder what St. John Paul the Great, would think of this current pope?


12 posted on 09/28/2019 11:52:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ebb tide

Why would anyone fault proselytizing?


13 posted on 09/28/2019 11:53:35 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: ebb tide

Commie homo Pope.


14 posted on 09/28/2019 11:54:15 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: ebb tide

Lord, Damascus-Road this Commie Pope please.


15 posted on 09/28/2019 11:54:40 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Steely Tom

Fun and Games: Play “Find the Cross” with Francis!

https://youtu.be/ar9atkfUsZM


16 posted on 09/28/2019 11:55:00 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

This guy has some serious mental problems.


17 posted on 09/28/2019 11:55:01 AM PDT by grimalkin (Communism is the final logic of the dehumanization of man. -Fulton J. Sheen)
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To: SkyPilot; Roman_War_Criminal; metmom; null and void

[ Pope Francis seemed to believe that the young people had been coerced in some way, for he told his listeners that whereas “evangelization is free,” “proselytism … makes you lose your freedom.” ]

I guess if you’re auditioning for the role of False Prophet, you have to speak some Manchurian-Candidate-Barack-Hussein-Obama-Auditioning-For-the-Antichrist-Role New Speak.

The Gobbledygook Guru.


18 posted on 09/28/2019 11:59:07 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: ebb tide
Finally!

We now have discovered people who Pope Francis can be judgmental about in a negative way - devout , faithful and enthusiastic new Christian converts.

Seriously, how can they - after all the work he has done

No more , “ Who am I to judge”, for these miscreants. Judgement for them is swift and harsh in the Francis world view

Who do they think they are, pedophile priests, Gaia worshipping Amazonian greenies or some other group worthy of this Pope’s personal attentions

19 posted on 09/28/2019 12:09:08 PM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: ebb tide

It’s the same type of bitterness felt by leftists when an immigrant says good things about America.


20 posted on 09/28/2019 12:24:22 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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