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[Luircin]

The logical fallacy of begging the question is strong in this one.

Just like it always has been.

[af_vet_1981]

There is ONLY one true church. It was begun on the day of Pentecosta couple of thousand years ago and has withstood the traditions of men trying to refashion it.

That comment reads like an agreement that none of the Protestant/Evangelical faith communities in the last five or so centuries are the "one true church." None of them began at Pentecost in the First Century and all of them are the result of men trying to refashion it.

[imardmd1]

Showing thatt you don’t know what, in the debative sense, the argument was about, nor who it was that without cause set themselves up as an adversary with proactive intent to offend.
Stick to your own last, cobbler.

[Luircin]

Considering that modern-day Roman Catholicism looks absolutely nothing like the first century ekklesia?

Looks like it’s Roman Catholicism that’s guilty of *refashioning.*

And then trying to murder anyone who attempts to get back to the original faith of the Apostles.

[MHGinTN]

You have almost got it. There is no institution or Org, Catholic or Protestant which is the one true church started at Pentecost, for that church is a spiritual entity, a collected body formed of ALL BELIEVERS saved and sealed by the Grace of God in Christ Jesus. That church has only ONE Priest, the Great High Priest, Jesus Christ the Righteous One.

Every member of the One True Church has the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to them. There is no dripping in the Righteousness in an infusion system gradually infusing the righteousness required for weternal life, whether it is a Protestant or Catholic org. Jesus did not start an org or an institution at Pentecost. He began building His Spiritual Body birthed into existence by Faith Alone in Him Alone as the One God sent for our salvation from our dead soul-ness.

[af_vet_1981]

Showing thatt you don’t know what, in the debative sense, the argument was about, nor who it was that without cause set themselves up as an adversary with proactive intent to offend. Stick to your own last, cobbler.

• And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
• They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
• For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
• The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
• But wisdom is justified of all her children.

Luke, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verses thirty one to thirty five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[af_vet_1981]

There is no institution or Org, Catholic or Protestant which is the one true church started at Pentecost, for that church is a spiritual entity,

And thus there is agreement that no Protestant/Evangelical denomination, sect, assembly, or faith community is the "one true church started at Pentecost."

[MHGinTN]

Your Catholic religion is not ‘it’ either.

[af_vet_1981]

Focusing on what is agreed upon:
1. The Nicene Creed
2. No Protestant/Evangelical denomination, sect, assembly, or faith community is the "one true church started at Pentecost."

[MHGinTN]

You left the Catholic off your list. Why? Are you still under the mistaken notion that Catholicism is the ‘ one true church’?

[af_vet_1981]

More that is agreed upon:
1. The Messiah said He would build His Church upon this rock and the gates of hell would not prevail against it.
2. The Messiah gave the power to bind and loose to Peter and the other apostles.
3. The Church was built on the foundation of Peter, the other apostles, and the prophets, with the Messiah Himself the chief cornerstone.
4. The Messiah said in the event of a dispute between the brethren, as a last result of appeal to take it before the Church for resolution.

References:

• And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
• And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
• And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
  
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• And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
• Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
  
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• Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
• And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
• In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
• In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Matthew, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seventeen to nineteen ,
Matthew, Catholic chapter eighteen, Protestant verses seventeen to eighteen ,
Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty two ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[MHGinTN]

No, there is not full agreement. Even Augustine rejected your third in the list. I too reject such error. Augustine taught that it was the faith profession Peter made which is the foundation upon which Jesus would build His Body of Believers ... not an institutional Org such as Catholicism or Protestantism, the spiritual Body of ALL BELIEVERS in Whom Jesus IS and for what He was sent.

If you stop trying the deception of using the term church to be the Roman Catholic church as The Church Jesus started, you would do well.

The one true church is the spiritual body of ALL BELIEVers since that fateful day of Pentecost. It is not an institution nor an org. The ONLY members of THAT Church, that Body of all believers, each and every one has the Righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to them. A religion infected with abominations calling themselves priest cannot by definition be members of The One True Church.

[af_vet_1981]

I too reject such error.

That is a rejection of Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty two:

• Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
• And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
• In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
• In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

[MHGinTN]

Tell that to Augustine, clueless.

[MHGinTN]

It always amuses me to see you post scripture passages which refute your assertions, without you realizing it!

[af_vet_1981]

It always amuses me to see you post scripture passages which refute your assertions, without you realizing it!

511 posted on 9/7/2019, 7:28:50 PM by af_vet_1981 reads
"3. The Church was built on the foundation of Peter, the other apostles, and the prophets, with the Messiah Himself the chief cornerstone."

512 posted on 9/7/2019, 7:38:17 PM by MHGinTN reads
"No, there is not full agreement. Even Augustine rejected your third in the list."

The referenced scripture from that post being rejected reads:

• 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
• 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
• 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
• 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Thus the rejection of number 3 on the list is irrational and incorrect.

[MHGinTN]

Don’t accept the mark of the beast when commanded to. Jusr do not take it.