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"For even though her God-bearing body tasted death, it did not undergo corruption"
Gloria Romanorum ^ | August 15, 2017 | Florentius

Posted on 08/15/2019 1:16:53 PM PDT by Antoninus

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The ancient sources for the Assumption/Dormition of Mary are interesting.
1 posted on 08/15/2019 1:16:53 PM PDT by Antoninus
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Catholic ping.


2 posted on 08/15/2019 1:17:27 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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So one person conjectered 600 years after Christ about what might have happened to Mary and this becomes a whole doctrinal point of view? Doesn’t it seem a bit odd that John (the oldest living apostle) never mentions Mary was taken up like Enoch? One would have thought that would have been worth mentioning in 1 John.


3 posted on 08/15/2019 1:23:22 PM PDT by HarleyD
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I totally agree with you. It would have been a great deal, if it happened. And since John was to care for her he would have had experienced this.


4 posted on 08/15/2019 1:27:56 PM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: HarleyD

One of the justifications is that the location of Mary’s body is unknown. So, natch, she must have been yanked up in the flesh.


5 posted on 08/15/2019 1:28:37 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: HarleyD

I couldn’t be much more impressed by a discussion of transubstantiation found in 1000 AD.

;>(


6 posted on 08/15/2019 1:29:27 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Antoninus

some passages from ancient sources that indicate that this belief existed from antiquity and was widespread.


We know there was a lot of heresy in the early church and Paul preached against it.

How do you test it for truth? God’s written word.


7 posted on 08/15/2019 1:29:45 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Antoninus

Mary,

Queen of the Apostles

Pray for us!

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8 posted on 08/15/2019 1:32:34 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: HarleyD

Wait’ you don’t believe stuff that happened six hundred years after the fact..... oh ye of little faith....lol


9 posted on 08/15/2019 1:33:06 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Antoninus

The Bible does not teach this.


10 posted on 08/15/2019 1:34:09 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Human yearning for a Goddess, presumably more forgiving than a God, goes way, way back. But it won’t be long now. The only question is who gets bumped from the Trinity to make room. Odds are the old holy ghost will bite the dust.


11 posted on 08/15/2019 1:34:38 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Antoninus

Her “God fearing body tasted death”??
The wages of sin is death. So if she died, she must have sinned. Right?
Not to confuse her with Christ. He was sinless and became took our sins upon Himself at Calvary. Died, was buried and was resurrected by God the Father.
Is the RCC saying that Mary underwent the same thing as Jesus Christ? She also took our sin upon herself, DIED, and was resurrected?


12 posted on 08/15/2019 1:44:46 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON. I'm. AN ANTI DEMITE)
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To: infool7

Did you just ask a dead person to pray for you? Be gone heathen, that directly violates God’s holy word.


13 posted on 08/15/2019 1:52:20 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Antoninus
The ancient sources for the Assumption/Dormition of Mary are interesting.

Like so much of Rome's erroneous teaching on Mary it is based on non-Scriptural and dubious writings.

This was not "handed down" from the Apostles as Roman Catholics like to claim for much of their erroneous teachings.

But, Roman Catholics have to believe this.

Christians do not have to believe this and reject this false dogma.

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The Assumption of Mary was celebrated in the West under Pope Sergius I in the 8th century and Pope Leo IV confirmed the feast as official.[24] Theological debate about the Assumption continued, following the Reformation. But the people celebrated the Assumption as part of the cult of Mary that flourished from the Middle Ages. In 1950 Pope Pius XII defined it as dogma for the Catholic Church.[26] Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott stated, "The idea of the bodily assumption of Mary is first expressed in certain transitus-narratives of the fifth and sixth centuries. ... The first Church author to speak of the bodily assumption of Mary, in association with an apocryphal transitus of the B.M.V., is St. Gregory of Tours."[27]

The Catholic writer Eamon Duffy states that "there is, clearly, no historical evidence whatever for it."[28]

However, the Catholic Church has never asserted nor denied that its teaching is based on the apocryphal accounts. The Church documents are silent on this matter and instead rely upon other sources and arguments as the basis for the doctrine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary#History_of_the_belief

14 posted on 08/15/2019 2:02:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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So one person conjectered 600 years after Christ about what might have happened to Mary and this becomes a whole doctrinal point of view?

An ironic argument coming from anyone whose church was founded on doctrines created 1,500 years after Christ.
15 posted on 08/15/2019 2:02:45 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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How do you test it for truth? God’s written word.

Indeed. Where in God's written word does it say that Mary died and was buried in the ground?
16 posted on 08/15/2019 2:03:35 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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I totally agree with you. It would have been a great deal, if it happened. And since John was to care for her he would have had experienced this.

And yet not one word was written by John regarding this.

17 posted on 08/15/2019 2:04:01 PM PDT by ealgeone
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She also took our sin upon herself, DIED, and was resurrected?

No,No,No. She is human but she bore the Son of the most high God and it was, because of her, that God became Man.


18 posted on 08/15/2019 2:06:33 PM PDT by 353FMG
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Indeed. Where in God's written word does it say that Mary died and was buried in the ground?

It's right there among the verses that describe the death of Nicodemus, Pontius Pilate, the woman at the well, The Centurian who begged for his child's life, and the Ethiopian that Phillip talked to.

19 posted on 08/15/2019 2:09:35 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Antoninus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGkwCRWrNEc


20 posted on 08/15/2019 2:10:01 PM PDT by 353FMG
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