Posted on 06/11/2019 8:45:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: Yes. If he goes east and finds enlightenment with Buddha, still a Jew. Just a bad one.
So by what you just explained, if this Jew believes that Jesus is the Promised Messiah, he is STILL a Jew!
Adolf hated the poles too. Was planning to exterminate the Polish people. Adolf only had a skin deep comprehension of life. Think people are confounding creation with ressurection. Two entirely different things. Creation happened once. Ressurection is cyclic occurance. Needed due to the changing physiology of this planet. This is a dynamic situation. You either end up in the proper realm, or you get stuck here fighting the next ice age. Your choice.
“a Messianic Jew would consider the Passover as PERMANENTLY FULFILLED by Jesus“
Guess what, that’s what *Christians* believe! Sooooo....
Hey really, as I said at the end of my last post, in so many words, if you want to call yourself “Messianic Jew”, knock yourself out. There’s no one, or one authoritative group, in all of Judaism who can settle the question, “are you Jewish merely by ancestry, or do you need to also be practicing the faith?”
It’s not a settled question, at least from what I’ve seen or read. So anyone who objects to the term “Messianic Jew” (including myself) just has to suck it up. Just like the term “agnostic Jew”. Can’t prove it’s wrong to call oneself that since all of Judaism hasn’t settled the question. This very thread is proof of that.
So it’s not necessarily “deceptive”, despite what some may say.
We have all sorts of “Jews” who are not Jews - by YOUR arguments - in America.
I took Hebrew class at a secular university with many “Jews” who were flatly ATHEISTS. Full Stop.
Israel also has many atheist “Jews” in its population and government.
I do not see anyone like you exposing all those various poseurs. I therefore regard you as a hypocrite.
It is you who are the aggressive and hostile one.
Ressurection is not the right word there. We simply dont have a comparable English word. The process no doubt is extremely complex. Father gives the ultimate, becomes new born, a son, who later becomes the father again. It is potentially quite incredible if the theory is correct.
Sounds a lot like the arguments of the “trans” crowd. Hey, the male converts even get a little surgery when they “transition” to being Jewish too :)
heh heh
I wouldn’t have thought of that...
Actually there are persons on this forum who militantly invade threads dealing with the New Testament just to categorically denounce anyone who quotes from it.
I have been far more often insulted than insulting on this ostensibly conservative forum with the audacious name of Free Republic.
I have devoted much of my life in the REAL WORLD to ministering to the needs of others, whether in official ministry or through other avenues.
I know what it is to truly befriend others - including those who embrace a religion (e.g., Judaism) or a lifestyle (e.g., Homoeroticism) other than my own.
There are very few on this site whose ostensive definitions of friendship and friendliness I would trust. (One of those few left a few months ago in disgust.)
“So by what you just explained, if this Jew believes that Jesus is the Promised Messiah, he is STILL a Jew!”
Yes, still Jewish. A heretic, mind you. But a Jewish heretic.
Note, I give the Orthodox response.
The Reform would not consider a convert still Jewish.
The Reform are the majority of Jewish people in the USA.
But I don’t care what the Reform think.
Was not the faith and Commandments soteriology nullified by Calvary?
So the Book of Acts was written during or after the time of "medieval Europe"?
ML/NJ
That was in part the basis for Sophie’s Choice, about a Polish woman, written by William Styron, a Jew.
Well, your comment didn’t reference Acts, just persecution, which, when it came to Christians against Jews, mainly was happening in the dark ages and medieval times.
What kind of drugs are you on?
“To believe that Jesus is God incarnate violates the First Commandment. One cannot remain Jewish and claim Jesus as a god.”
Only if Jesus is an “other god”. If Jesus is indeed the one who gave that commandment, then it obviously cannot be a violation to believe it.
“A word cannot mean two things at the same time.”
I think you’re going to have to invent your own language for that to become a reality. Even then, as soon as you aren’t the only one speaking it, other people will probably mess it up.
“If a person who believes that calls themselves a Jew, that is deceit. The promotion of this false Jewry as a means of converting Jews into Christians is the aggression.”
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Question, thoughtomator -
Would the Kings, prophets, and those who placed their belief in the Messiah to come then be considered to be Christians?
It was after all, their trust and belief in the Lord God’s Protector of the Jewish race that they placed their very souls upon.
I understand your view. My question, however still stands:
As they willingly accepted the afore proclaimed Messiah, without being told specifically the name, if indeed Christ was the Messiah spoke about, would they be removed from the Jewish lineage in your view?
Would you consider them to be heretics?
See the way this works on FR is that the comments are based upon the post being replied to.
In the Gospels, Jesus and His followers, all of them Jews, were persecuted by hypocritical Jewish leaders, ultimately leading to the Lord’s death on the cross. And that pattern continued in the Book of Acts, where the Jewish leadership stood in opposition to the message of Jesus the Messiah, sometimes persecuting His Jewish followers to the death (see Acts 7).Got any non-Christian sources for this, PAL?
ML/NJ
I salute you for your factual, even-handed and genial analysis of the prior discussion.
In my experience, people who pontificate about the wrongness of either religion from the vantage point of the other religion (alphabetical order: Christian or Jewish) have not read or studied the scriptures of the other religion, and possibly have not read or studied the scriptures of their own. Studying the scriptures (not the auxiliary commentaries) sheds a lot of light. The Lord speaks to us through those Words.
Or, how can you trick someone who knows his own religion, believes it and is secure in that faith? Especially in view that Jews are more apt than Christians to make sure their children receive a thorough religious education in preparation for Bar/Bat Mitzvah.
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