The Crusades Were a Reasonable Response to Unchecked Islamic Aggression

http://m.ncregister.com ^ | May 16, 2019 | Angelo Stagnaro

[NorthMountain]

I posted the part that matters. You are, by your written words (no mind reading involved, here) making clear that you want to control the terms and conditions of debate and discussion. You are indicating, by your written words, that you want to prevent people "saying" certain things. YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT.

I don't have the time or inclination to continue to correct you on your errors.

You have "corrected" nothing. Ever.

So. SIT DOWN

No. You don't get to dictate terms and conditions of discussion.

Catholics can and will discuss anythign they want to, including disagreement with the current "Pope". If you don't want to "hear" such things, AVOID THREADS WHICH ARE LIKELY TO CONTAIN THEM. Simple.

[Wonder Warthog]

So, scripture contradicts scripture. I think not.

THE BIBLE (not Martin Luther’s interpretation),is absolutely clear on the authority Christ grants to his consecrated successors.

[ealgeone]

So, scripture contradicts scripture. I think not.

Nope. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. Roman Catholicism contradicts Scripture.

Roman Catholicism claims their rulings will not contradict Scripture.

No pope can make up stuff, as I've been told on these forums. However, Urban did.

The only message the Apostles preached for forgiveness of sins was to have faith in Christ. The NT is clear on this. Only believers in Christ have their sins forgiven.

The pope cannot grant blanket forgiveness to people who were not Christians who fought in the Crusades. No more than he could today. That's the contradiction.

If he could do as you suggest, then the pope could just claim everyone in the entire world is forgiven if they'd do one nice thing for someone else. Are you prepared to agree with that?

THE BIBLE (not Martin Luther’s interpretation),is absolutely clear on the authority Christ grants to his consecrated successors.

Luther lives rent free in the mind of the Roman Catholic.

[Wonder Warthog]

"The only message the Apostles preached for forgiveness of sins was to have faith in Christ. The NT is clear on this. Only believers in Christ have their sins forgiven.

Simply not true. Indeed, that is where things START, but not where they end. Like it or not, Christianity requires Christians to behave toward each other in certain ways, to do certain things and not do others. These are plainly spelled out in Scripture, The idea of "sola fide" is completely non-scriptural.

"The pope cannot grant blanket forgiveness to people who were not Christians who fought in the Crusades. No more than he could today. That's the contradiction."

And yet Scripture plainly says otherwise, and gives the precise reason why the authority exists (the keys of David). Enduring the rigors of a Crusade, even in a non-combat role, is one of the most rigorous "penances" anyone can endure, and of course, in dying, they become martyrs. I think even Protestants still believe that martyrs go straight to heaven, while the rest of us have to wait a bit.

[ealgeone]

>>"The only message the Apostles preached for forgiveness of sins was to have faith in Christ. The NT is clear on this. Only believers in Christ have their sins forgiven.<<

Simply not true. Indeed, that is where things START, but not where they end. Like it or not, Christianity requires Christians to behave toward each other in certain ways, to do certain things and not do others. These are plainly spelled out in Scripture, The idea of "sola fide" is completely non-scriptural.

If one is a follower of Christ one is going to do the things Christ says to do.

However, the works, or fruit, are not the cause of salvation, but rather are the result of salvation.

We come to Christ through belief/faith in Him...and only Him.

It is by faith we come to and believe in Him.

You can be nice to other people, but not be a believer in Christ. All those nice things won't get you into Heaven. Only faith in Christ does.

>>"The pope cannot grant blanket forgiveness to people who were not Christians who fought in the Crusades. No more than he could today. That's the contradiction."<<

And yet Scripture plainly says otherwise, and gives the precise reason why the authority exists (the keys of David).

Sheer ignorance of Scripture.

If that is the case there is no need for the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

If a Muslim dies in battle...can the pope forgive his sins?

If a Hindu dies in battle...can the pope forgive his sins?

Enduring the rigors of a Crusade, even in a non-combat role, is one of the most rigorous "penances" anyone can endure, and of course, in dying, they become martyrs.

If they are not followers of Christ it doesn't matter how one dies. They are not going to Heaven. Scripture is crystal clear on this.

Protestants still believe that martyrs go straight to heaven, while the rest of us have to wait a bit.

Christians believe all believers in Christ goes to Heaven.

We are made perfect because of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

There is no purgatory where you go to get cleaned up...or work off your sins or whatever false notion you may associate with purgatory.

Have you read the New Testament at all??

[sparklite2]

martyrs go straight to heaven, while the rest of us have to wait a bit

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"Didn't die a martyr.
Got a shorter eternity."

[sparklite2]

Go read up on the Northern Crusades before
making up your mind on how noble they were.

[ealgeone]

Go read up on the Northern Crusades before making up your mind on how noble they were.

Yes, I've read about them.

However, no matter how brave one fights and dies...apart from faith in Christ there is no Heaven.

Even if one just dies a regular death...apart from faith in Christ there is no Heaven.

It doesn't matter what the pope or anyone else says in this matter. He cannot contradict Scripture and grant remission of sins to unbelievers of Christ.

[Wonder Warthog]

“If” a Hindu (or Muslim) dies in the name of Christ, he or she is a Christian martyr, whether they have recited the “sinners prayer” or not. The actions literally speak for themselves. Many have done and are doing so virtually daily these days. This is called the “baptism of intent”,

You choose to believe a “doctrine” contradictory to Scripture. Your choice. I'll stick to the first church, founded directly by Christ, and in continuous existence since His resurrection and the descent of the Holy Spirit on his Apostles and other followers.

[ealgeone]

“If” a Hindu (or Muslim) dies in the name of Christ, he or she is a Christian martyr, whether they have recited the “sinners prayer” or not. The actions literally speak for themselves. Many have done and are doing so virtually daily these days. This is called the “baptism of intent”,

This is called blasphemy.

You choose to believe a “doctrine” contradictory to Scripture. Your choice. I'll stick to the first church, founded directly by Christ, and in continuous existence since His resurrection and the descent of the Holy Spirit on his Apostles and other followers.

No. You have abandoned the ekklesia if you believe this false teaching.

If a person has not placed their faith in Christ, it doesn't matter what banner they die under. They do not go to Heaven no matter what any pope says.

The New Testament is crystal clear on this.

[Wonder Warthog]

"The New Testament is crystal clear on this."

Sorry, but Scripture is indeed crystal clear on these points. I can and have read the involved Scripture(s), and it plainly does NOT support your position(s).

But...not wasting more time......we will both know soon enough.

[ealgeone]

Show me in Scripture where one can gain Heaven apart from faith in Christ.

I'll go get some popcorn while you do. For that matter, I can grow my own crop.

[Dexter Morgan]

Sorry I’m a month late. Thanks for posting the video...very interesting and good to share with my family.