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To: forgotten man; lightman

The Apostles’ Creed is a Western creed—Roman Catholic and Protestant.

The Orthodox Church uses only the Nicene Creed-not the Apostles’ Creed. So we don’t recite the Apostles’ Creed either!!!!

Some old conservative Lutherans changed the “One Holy catholic Church” to “Christian Church”. But I don’t know if any still do.

George HW Bush’s parish in Texas is an anomaly—a conservative evangelical parish that remains in the wacko ultra-liberal Episcopal “Church”. And the National Cathedral totally goes along with the EC’s apostasies! But I don’t know if that has anything to do with President Trump’s behavior in that service yesterday. Probably not.


70 posted on 12/06/2018 12:18:20 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

The so-called Apostles’ Creed (AC) is actually a pre-schism Catholic and Orthodox liturgical formula.

It appears in the fourth writings of Hippolytus of Rome (Commemorated by Orthodox and Catholics alike) as part of the Baptismal service.

The candidate was asked, in succession, “Do you believe in God the Father?....Do you believe in God the Son...Do you believe in God the Holy Spirit” and answered each question with the phrases, which, when strung together, form this Creed.

The AC is never used in the Roman Eucharitic rite.

The AC was used by the Reformers as one of their catechetial pillars, the others being the 10 Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer, and the Sacraments. It appears in both Luther’s Small and Larger Catechisms and the Reformed Heidelberg Catechism.

In Lutheran and other Protestant liturgical practice the AC receives more use because it is shorter and faster. (The clockwatchers ye shall always have with ye...)

Prior to the 1978 Lutheran Book of Worship (LBW) most Lutherans used the Nicene Creed only when the Eucharist was served. LBW mandated its use on the Sundays in Advent through Theophany and Lent through Pentecost because of the strong Christological statements. The AC was mandated for other seasons.

In 2005, Evangelical Lutheran Worship (ELW) flipped the practice on the basis that the AC, having its origin in a Baptismal rite, was better suited for seasons of preparation for Baptism.

Go figure...


175 posted on 12/06/2018 2:25:57 PM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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