Every President Recited The Apostles’ Creed Except Trump, And People Definitely Noticed

Huffington Post ^ | 12/6/2018 | Ed Mazza

[editor-surveyor]

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But the creed itself is not in scripture.

Its a feckless phrase.

[Jane Long]

Thanks for posting the definition/meaning of ‘c’atholic.

[Jane Long]

👍🏼

[editor-surveyor]

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Should read “after the third day He rose again from the dead.

He did not rise on the third day, he rose at the beginning of the 4th day, as the sun set on the Sabbath (saturday evening)

[Wild_VoiceSF]

...and Anglicans/Episcopalians.

[trebb]

Gosh where were all these religious zealots in the past....they are so full of hatred they have to be burning up with bile....glad I ain't one of them....

Maybe the Trumps don't believe the Episcopalians got it right....

[LeonardFMason]

I came to that conclusion after asking several folks, including my own family, what they learned from the prayer. Most answers were; “It’s part of the service.” You don’t need to be heart or mind reader to conclude it is largely a thoughtless recital for most.

I’ll concede that a few really do study God’s word, and these verses, and have a greater appreciation repeating them.

Can you recite the Lord’s Prayer without reading it. Do you know the chapter of the Bible and the exact verses where this is found. What is significant about the preceding chapter?

[Dont tread and Live]

Mainstream High Protestant churches (Lutherans, Episcopalians) say the Apostles creed. Catholic means universal.....the term is not connected with Rome in this context. Those Protestants that are from the more free and rely on local church authority structure, like Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostal type churches typically do not rely on memorized prayers or creeds. Belief in Christ and his word as appearing in the Bible suffice.

[nonsporting]

(1) Jesus said that right before telling people to say the Lord's Prayer.

No he didn't. He said "after this manner pray". He did NOT say "pray these things". Completely different. For him to have said the latter would have constradicted what he had just said about "vain repetitions".

(2) Jesus Himself prayed the same words three times in the Garden of Gethsemane.

You provide no scripture reference. Which words? Not in Matthew 16 -- the words are different. In Mark 14 it says he prays "the same words" a 2nd time, but this is probably not verbatim, but rather the same substance. If identical it would conflict with Matthew 16 which has him praying the same thing but using slightly different words. In Luke 22 it says for the 2nd prayer "he prayed more earnestly". In no case does Jesus pray "vain repetitions". He was in earnest that this cup might pass from him, but he was ready to do the Father's will.

(3) Many evangelicals use "Praise the Lord" as a substitute for "hello."

Although I've not seen this and it may well be outside my experience, I will point out that it is not a prayer. It's a greeting.

(4) What's the difference between saying a prayer or a creed more than once, and singing a Gospel song over and over again?

Now that is a good question -- contrasting a creed with a song. We are commanded to sing spiritual songs as a form of worship.

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (Ephesians 5:19)

A creed is not a psalm, hymn or spiritual song, nor group scripture recitation. The creed might be "chanted". Does that make it an 'a capella' song? I don't think so.

As I was reviewing the Apostles' Creed, I found it simplistic and did not quote scripture. I think this is the danger of confessions or creeds. Though I might appreciated what they contain, they are nevertheless characterized by what they do not contain. An excessive devotion to creedal statements may easily lead to a neglect of much important truth which is outside the range of those creeds.

And now that we have the scriptures translated into our own language (not Latin, Greek or Hebrew), we can formulate our doctrines directly and not rely on councils or church officials to do it for us in the form of creeds which establish "orthodoxy".

[I got the rope]

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[al_c]

See post 213

[editor-surveyor]

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Sorry, but no!

The creed is not in the word!

There is no room for “creeds” in the covenant, which is the word.

[al_c]

Fine. Carry on then.

[meyer]

IIRC, we used to say “the Holy Christian Church, rather than the “catholic church”. But, someone changed it.

Lutheran here.

[Hilda]

(1) Jesus said that right before telling people to say the Lord's Prayer.

No he didn't. He said "after this manner pray".

That's Matthew. In Luke he says "When you pray, say:" It's at the beginning of Chapter 11.

. In Mark 14 it says he prays "the same words" a 2nd time, but this is probably not verbatim,

Then it's not "the same words." You assume that all repetitions are vain repetitions. But Jesus didn't say "repetitions"; he said "vain repetitions." He was referring to the idea it would make God hear you better. That's the context. That's what makes it vain.

Now that is a good question -- contrasting a creed with a song. We are commanded to sing spiritual songs as a form of worship. Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (Ephesians 5:19)

And they repeat, don't they? One more example of how a repetition is not necessarily a vain repetition.

"How Great Thou Art" is a prayer: it's addressed to God. "Holy, Holy, Holy" is a prayer: it's addressed to God. "Just As I Am" is a prayer: it's addressed to Christ. I think the words are lovely, they don't conflict with Scripture. But they aren't Scripture. They were written by man. They take the form of prayer. And we repeat them over and over. And they continue to edify us. That's how you know they aren't vain: they edify.