Posted on 12/30/2017 4:18:26 AM PST by JosephJames
The sheer awesome logicness of your statement should shut this PROT up for GOOD!; Brother!!
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary)
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary and the Iron Maiden; too!)
LOL!
You could maybe get away with it...Millions of Catholics do...What's important to note is we have liberty to do things that are not quite right but they may not be so expedient...And that is because we, as Christians are NOT under the law...
Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
You've got yourself under a curse...
Gal_3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Are we under the law???
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The law is no longer a law...It is a teaching...A teacher to bring us to Jesus...And be justified by faith; not works...
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This is so simple...Do you not see that???
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law,
Redeem who??? Redeem them...Not me...Redeem those under the law...
that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Who's we??? It me, and Paul and Peter and the rest...Christians...
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Those people under the law are SERVANTS, not SONS...Are you a servant???
Heb_7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
And that sums it up quite nicely...If you are under the Ten Commandments, you don't need Jesus...
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According to you!!!
Sound familiar?
I actually have no problem with what you say. I agree that Bergoglio is a fake, phony and fraud. Where we differ is that I also believe that Bergoglio is just a product of Vatican II.
It's never stopped you before; why not? Not that your argument is even legitimate.
Those engaged in idolatry often are in denial of their sin.
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Yes, it means Christianity has a communal aspect as well as an individual one. Christians are not to abandon each other but build each other up by worship and the Word.
John 14:15-31King James Version (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
How many people and groups in the last 2000 years have made similar statements: “Vatican II contradicts previous Magisterium”.
Each one of these people or groups feel they have it right, but according to what criteria? According to their intelligence and human wisdom?
In the end where is the authority on earth to free us from our own subjectivism and relativism inherent in Original Sin?
As the Catholic Church teaches, quoted in the article:
The Second Vatican Council also explains that a person born into a protestant family is not automatically culpable of being outside the one visible Church that Christ founded, the Catholic Church, and that such a person can correspond with the grace of God to live the Gospel better than many baptized Catholics. Just as grace and truth can subsist anywhere (wherever the Spirit blows), so too, grace and truth can subsist in other churches. “Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines. … Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ” (Unitatis Redintegratio, no. 3; http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html. Visit: “Ecclesiology of the Catholic Church”; http://schis-trad.blogspot.it/2008/03/ecclesiology-of-vcii.html).
It is not by chance that one finds this one Church that Christ founded with the guarantee to offer those of good will the guidance needed to find the truth, in a world full of confusion sowed by Satan, the truth (Jn 14:6) which sets us free (Jn 8:32), now and for all eternity.
The system that selected him hasn't changed since; let's see...
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Call no man father...
How do you figure what you posted counters the scripture I posted???
Jesus specifically told the apostle Paul to warn us that we as Christians are not under the law but will face dire consequences if try to justify ourselves by following the law...
Thank-you and God Bless.
Thank-you and God Bless.
You write: According to you!!!
But did you have the courage to check out the references that I offered??? Or do we only want to invent the truth and reality according to ourselves without looking at any documents that are not in agreement with how we want the truth and how we want reality, which is what the great majority of people do today?
Pope Benedict XVI Forced To Resign
http://spir-food.blogspot.it/2017/01/pope-benedict-xvi-force-to-resign.html
https://josephdwight.wordpress.com/2017/01/27/pope-benedict-xvi-force-to-resign/
https://www.scribd.com/document/337710136/Pope-Benedict-XVI-Force-To-Resign
In Italian, regarding the non canonical election of Bergoglio:
L’anticipazione Della Premessa Di “NON E’ Francesco” E Delle Prime Pagine Del Capitolo Sul Conclave Del 2013
http://www.antoniosocci.com/lanticipazione-della-premessa-di-non-e-francesco-e-delle-prime-pagine-del-capitolo-sul-conclave-del-2013/
Anche I Bergogliani Sono Ormai Sconcertati Da Bergoglio (LA Mia Risposta Alla Canonista Sull’invalidita’ Del Conclave 2013)
http://www.antoniosocci.com/anche-bergogliani-sono-ormai-sconcertati-da-bergoglio-la-mia-risposta-alla-canonista-sullinvalidita-del-conclave-2013/
Come Sara’ Il Giubileo (MENTRE Si Scoprono Due Nuove Irregolarita’ Del Conclave)
www.antoniosocci.com/come-sara-il-giubileo-mentre-si-scoprono-due-nuove-irregolarita-del-conclave/
You have thrown out all of Divine Revelation except the Bible and then according to your subjective interpretation of the Bible (whose books therein were established by the Catholic Church), you say “That is not a teaching that come from God...”. You should say this “... according to my interpretation” which comes from a very small part of Divine Revelation.
We can follow Christ according to our own subjective interpretation of the Bible, and thus we can easily satisfy our hidden egoisms, without an authoritative guide here on earth. It is no secret that there are a multitude of contradictions between the thousands of independent protestant groups. Also if we say “once saved always saved”, then are we implying that tomorrow we no longer have a free will like an animal and so we can no longer sin, and thus we never again need the mercy of God and we never again need to repent since after “once saved” we are all perfect saints and angels and never sin again?!?!?
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