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Pope Francis Calls for Lord's Prayer to be Altered as Current Wording Suggests God....
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/8/17 | Reporters

Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow

Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lord’s Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us “into temptation”.

Instead, “Our father”, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as “do not let us enter into temptation”.

The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.

The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was “not a good translation”.

“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” he continued. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Theology
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To: vladimir998; Gamecock
There never would have been a Luther without these guys......Top 10 Most Wicked Popes

http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/

1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]

Top 10 Worst Popes in History

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php

1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 – 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 – 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 – 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? – 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? – 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 – 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 – 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 – 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 – 1303)

61 posted on 12/08/2017 3:59:26 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: cpdiii

But Jesus is the same, yesterday, today , and forever.

That’s why you should trust in HIM and not an organization or denomination, no matter what it calls itself.


62 posted on 12/08/2017 4:01:48 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: marshmallow
I bring evil

Methinks the Pontiff does not read his bible as much as he should.

63 posted on 12/08/2017 4:12:52 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: cpdiii
My church is corrupt. My church is dying on the altar of Marxism.

If that is what you believe (and I do not disagree), perhaps you should abandon it, and follow God and Jesus. Always abandon earthly things in favor of Godly things--even when the earthly thing is one's own church.

64 posted on 12/08/2017 4:15:37 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: marshmallow

What a total nut. The prayer means man is tempted but God can help lead us away. Never in my life would I have ever called a Pope an ass but since this freak is a fake pope then $)^&^%_)*(@$%&!


65 posted on 12/08/2017 5:50:05 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Hieronymus
Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

He'd fit right in.

66 posted on 12/08/2017 5:53:30 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: marshmallow

Popes really do think they are above the Word of God.


67 posted on 12/08/2017 5:53:33 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Goblins, Orcs and the Undead: Metaphors for the godless left.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

This false pope is like Soetoro. Neither asks permission.


68 posted on 12/08/2017 5:55:08 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Hieronymus

Correct, I had it flipped.


69 posted on 12/08/2017 6:20:43 AM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: metmom

No, since Luther’s heresy was invented by Luther, and had nothing to do with any “wicked” popes but instead flowed from his own error, Luther would have done what he did anyway. Rix makes this abundantly clear.


70 posted on 12/08/2017 7:22:11 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Hieronymus

Thank you so much for looking into this.


71 posted on 12/08/2017 8:01:33 AM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: marshmallow




Pope Franken Strikes Again


72 posted on 12/08/2017 8:15:16 AM PST by Songcraft
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To: metmom; vladimir998
The Cadaver Synod: Strangest Trial In History
73 posted on 12/08/2017 8:24:34 AM PST by Gamecock (The greatest threat to humanity is not "out there" but "in here" in the recesses of the soul. TK)
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To: metmom

I have heard this before, and unfortunately, Francis is probably correct. It is a bad translation, the Lord would not lead anyone into temptation. Years ago, I’d heard that ‘not put us to the test’ was a closer translation.

Just so you know, it wasn’t originally in old style English, KJ was quite a while after Jesus!

Would a God lead anyone to temptation? That’s another guy’s job.


74 posted on 12/08/2017 8:42:17 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Gamecock

Luther’s heresy was still Luther’s heresy.


75 posted on 12/08/2017 8:52:42 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: married21

You’re welcome.

I can now report that at least on my office computer I cannot paste Hebraic characters into an FR prose

the phrase, according to what I consider the best manuscript tradition of the Hebrew/Aramaic, reads as follows when transliterated by my computer into times new Roman (please read from right to left):

!wysn ydyl wnaybt law

If you know the Hebrew alphabet, everything should be fairly self-explanatory with the exception of the exclamation point, which is a final Nun, and the s represents a Samek.

In one of the manuscripts used in the critical edition, (George Howard’s analysis of Shem Tob’s Work) in the second word there is a yod between the Alef and the Nun.

This deserves a thorough analysis which I can’t do at a break at work. If someone else has time and skill right now, please jump in.


76 posted on 12/08/2017 9:14:36 AM PST by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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To: vladimir998; metmom

And Rome’s is still Rome’s.


77 posted on 12/08/2017 9:59:38 AM PST by Gamecock (The greatest threat to humanity is not "out there" but "in here" in the recesses of the soul. TK)
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To: Gamecock

“And Rome’s is still Rome’s.”

The Church has no heresies. Heretics do. Protestantism is a heresy.


78 posted on 12/08/2017 1:49:51 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: metmom
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Personally, I'd rank John XII #1.
79 posted on 12/08/2017 4:04:16 PM PST by eastsider
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To: marshmallow

bump


80 posted on 12/09/2017 5:44:59 AM PST by foreverfree
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