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Pope Francis Calls for Lord's Prayer to be Altered as Current Wording Suggests God....
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/8/17 | Reporters

Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow

Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lord’s Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us “into temptation”.

Instead, “Our father”, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as “do not let us enter into temptation”.

The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.

The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was “not a good translation”.

“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” he continued. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

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To: marshmallow

Matthew chapter 6:9-13

“... Our heavenly Father, hallowed is your name.
Your Kingdom is come. Your will is done,
As in heaven so also on earth.
Give us the bread for our daily need.
And leave us serene,
just as we also allowed others serenity.
And do not pass us through trial,
except separate us from the evil one.
For yours is the Kingdom,
the Power and the Glory
To the end of the universe, of all the universes.” Amen!

Translation from Aramaic.


41 posted on 12/07/2017 6:31:28 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Salvation
Your version sounds exactly like the rapture. It needs to be re studied out in the Greek after this assault on Jesus' stunningly simple, but absolutely profound prayer written down for us in The Bible, to confirm it's original meaning. What Jesus says absolutely goes.
42 posted on 12/07/2017 6:38:17 PM PST by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus?)
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To: Mercat

Thanks.


43 posted on 12/07/2017 6:41:55 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mercat

**For yours is the Kingdom,
the Power and the Glory
To the end of the universe, of all the universes.” Amen!**

This isn’t in the Bible is it?


44 posted on 12/07/2017 6:45:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” he continued. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

Sounds like he's been hanging around Joel Osteen too much.

This is the kind of stuff you get from the Word of Faith preachers.

45 posted on 12/07/2017 6:48:35 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Salvation

The doxology is a later addition, from a Greek manuscript assumed to be much older than it was.


46 posted on 12/07/2017 6:51:42 PM PST by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: CMRosary

I didn’t know that. I always assumed it was added by non-Catholics. My mistake.


47 posted on 12/07/2017 6:56:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It’s not part of Matthew 6.


48 posted on 12/07/2017 6:58:05 PM PST by Mercat
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To: NorthMountain

Inducas = induce


49 posted on 12/07/2017 6:58:17 PM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: Salvation
It was, by those who assembled the King James bible. At the time, they were not aware that the manuscript they were in possession of was of far less ancient provenance than they had assumed, so it was appended to Matthew 6:13.
50 posted on 12/07/2017 7:02:38 PM PST by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: marshmallow

Thanks for the input but lets just go ahead and leave that the way it is.


51 posted on 12/07/2017 7:03:52 PM PST by greenishness
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To: Gamecock

“And FRoman Catholics elsewhere on FR are blaming Luther for the world’s problems.”

Some might say there never would have been a Pope Francis if not for a Luther first.


52 posted on 12/07/2017 7:12:17 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Probably no Jesuits without Luther.

What is the difference between the O.P.s and the S.J.s?
The Dominicans were founded to combat Albigensianism, the Jesuits Protestantism—have you met an Albigensian lately.


53 posted on 12/07/2017 7:18:10 PM PST by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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To: vladimir998

Or vice versa.


54 posted on 12/07/2017 7:30:02 PM PST by GCFADG (Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.)
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To: Artemis Webb

How many more years do we have to listen to this communist POS?

#NotMyPopeNotNowNotEver


55 posted on 12/07/2017 7:56:56 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marshmallow
Yeah, Jesus Christ might have misspoken when He instructed us to pray those words. Thank God we have a Pope who can correct the Son of God on His error. /sarc

What a deeyoosh.

56 posted on 12/07/2017 8:04:31 PM PST by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: Artemis Webb
The Pope is a lunatic.

Incorrect. He is a quite sane left wing activist whom leads my church but has abandoned the teachings of The Church.

The real problem with my church is the college of cardinals. They knew full well what this man was when they selected him to be The Pope.

My church is corrupt. My church is dying on the altar of Marxism.

57 posted on 12/07/2017 8:09:35 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: marshmallow

Frankie, you are not supposed to change the words of Our Lord. He kinda frowns on things like that.


58 posted on 12/07/2017 9:43:59 PM PST by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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To: marshmallow
I've wondered about that phrase since I was a little girl. Why would you pray to God asking Him to not do something He wouldn't do, anyway?

My pop was a preacher and I asked him about it once, "Why does that verse imply He would lead us into temptation unless we ask Him not to?" Pop said something to the effect that the verse means you're asking Him to protect you from being tempted.

Well, yeah, but that's not what it says...

59 posted on 12/08/2017 2:51:16 AM PST by Nellie Wilkerson
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To: metmom

God does not lead us into temptation. His very nature precludes this from even being a possibility. It shows how little our RCC friends understand the Word.


60 posted on 12/08/2017 3:52:39 AM PST by ealgeone
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