Posted on 11/27/2017 8:37:19 AM PST by Salvation
No.
I asked a question; in three parts:
Total?
Absolute??
Unwavering???
Let's deal with them.
Like Mary was/is sinless?
Although I will have to give Rome credit.
It does not even TRY to 'prove' it; just name it and claim it.
This is a peculiar comment from you. You never cease to talk all about your church on this thread.
I reviewed my posts and I didn't see one where I claimed such a thing. I am in communion with the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus but it is not my Church it is His Church and I can't imagine having claimed it as mine. His Church does have quite the liberal (re-/)admission policy. You are only asked to lay your burdens down at the door.
Well it's a step in the right direction.
“can’t imagine having claimed it as mine. ”
Oh, but you do. And you claim things for it that are false.
Jesus didn’t die for a denomination or to have everyone united under one earthly religious head, as if that is helping you guys at the moment.
The current condition of the RCC actually refutes your contention that being united under one earthly religious head is somehow advantageous.
However, for all the varying denominational differences among the non-Catholics, we are united by our faith in Christ under one SPIRITUAL head, that is Jesus.
Our unity does not come from denominational affiliation but rather belonging to God’s family through the new birth, being born of the Spirit.
We don’t have to submit to one centralized authority here on earth. All the churches in the NT didn’t and there was no indication of that being set up at all in the NT. Not the slightest hint of one church being called the one true church as the Catholic church claims it is.
On the contrary, it's as exclusive as they come and you either toe the line or you get ex-communicated or accused of self-excommunicating yourself.
Astounding indeed. I claim that your charge of false claims are unfounded and scurrilous. By all means alert me to these “false claims” that you claim I have made so that I can make proper clarifications.
Here is your mynah bird claim that is both false and simply an assertion...
"the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus"
False in that you apply it to Rome. False in that you claim it that the Roman church today is the same church.
As daniel1212 documented, none of the Apostles would recognize great portions of what is believed and practiced by Rome.
So do you think that's wrong? Some think His Church should be even more exclusive and others would have Satan himself sitting in a pew. "Go and sin no more" are Jesus' words and hey they haven't kicked me out yet and though I try not to I am still a sinner. Ultimately Jesus will be the one who judges who was in and who wasn't.
Here is the List of people excommunicated by the Catholic Church at wikipedia I cant vouch for it's accuracy or completeness but it's sufficient to illustrate the basics of ex-communication for those that are interested.
That's your claim and I claim that it is your claim that is the false claim.
Since there is no Biblical record supporting your claim and no historical record supporting your claim, it is simply your assertion.
Ping me when you find either.
C'mon give it two or three hundred years those issues will just sort themselves out as for the other things that's just not what I have come to believe. I believe in the... do I really have to type it again?
Oh, it's not just my assertion, there are 1.29 billion others that share it with me.
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Stop pretending that there is any mystery.
1John explains it all completely, but apparently you reject his sincerity and his apostleship, or you would not be playing this game.
Is 1John the word of God?
If it is, then Torah is the required standard of righteousness, and adherance thereto is the measure of belief in Yeshua.
If you do not “walk as he walked” but think you’ll be saved, you are making Yeshua, and John liars.
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Thanks; Rome; for the Book that changed my life.
Stop avoiding answer the simple questions.
If it is, then Torah is the required standard of righteousness, and adherence thereto is the measure of belief in Yeshua.
Sure strange that JESUS failed to say this when He was asked...
John 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
You are correct MM, we don’t, and judging from all the Catholic anti Frank threads, I am thinking a lot of Catholics don’t think so either.
Now, as you mentioned, I also have no idea what denominational background most of the born agains on the threads are, and quite frankly, don’t care. We are free to have different opinions about things like pre trib, mid trib, post trib. Spiritual gifts, and I don’t mean those fruitcakes who engage in holy laughter and hiss like snakes.
On the other hand, when it comes to the ONLY doctrine that matters a hill of beans, we march lockstep, in complete unison, with no wavering whatsoever. Of course, I refer to the plan of salvation. God, knowing how tigas ulo (hard headed) some so called religious people could be, made the plan of salvation so simple a 3 year old can understand it. Why certain individuals cannot grasp the concept, speaks volumes for their lack of spiritual discernment. I was only confronted with the gospel once, when one of the guys, literally and physically drew me a picture of how to make sure my name was written in the Lamb’s book of life. I wasn’t about to pass on the deal. 😂😊😄😀
How many lepers have YOU cured?
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