Posted on 10/02/2017 11:32:50 PM PDT by Djl3668
Very simple: “How did this shooter get to spend over 1 hour shooting at ducks in a pond while nobody was prepared to take him down!”
That is the real question! The Hotels were more scared of lawsuits than having their top paying “rollers” he hustled out of their cocaine beds while people died.
So much very wrong here. So disgraced to see the police patting their backs, along with politicians and firemen letting their guard down on a Sunday night!
79 minutes of terror and the only reason I’m writing here is because I thought the SWAT Team made it in less tha 20 minutes.
Horrible. The poor people there were living Dien Bien Phu!
79 minutes?
He was only active for 10 minutes.
Not sure where you’re getting 79 minutes from.
Give or take an hour or so.
No.
He was active 10 minutes.
Not sure where you’re reading an hour or so.
Did it not take over an hour to get to him?
It was a play off the discrepancy between the actual time and the exaggerated time.
He shot at the crowd for 10 to 15 minutes.
He shot at SWAT and security guards for an unspecified amount of time before killing himself.
Ahhh, it’s just about bed time so I ain’t very sharp.
Correct. Now imagine if 2 or 3 we’re shooting? I love our police, HOWEVER, something stinks! Something says that the hotel would not let police into their rooms for fear of lawsuits.
Does that make sense?
From the scanner feed recordings (they are on You Tube) it took about 72 minutes from the first shot until they busted down the hotel door.
Here is the radio traffic from LVMPD.
I did a rough timeline/transcription of the events.
SWAT did not make entry for over an hour. I think he was dead well before that and had not been shooting for about 45 minutes prior. But the OP is right.
This is a rough transcription and only has significant events. Throughout the broadcasts there is mass confusion, panic, officers hit and being transported, incorrect locations, countermanded orders, reports of “419s” (Dead bodies), open microphones, officers pinned down, citizens acting unilaterally and often counter to what is needed.
This is a combat zone with all its attendant chaos.
Dispatch was notified of shots fired at 10:08 pm.
Dispatch was notified that shooting was coming from
Mandalay Bay at 10:09, from “halfway up”. Presumably muzzle flashes were seen.
At 10:11 the Command Post that is set up in advance of these events confirmed that shots were fired from Mandalay Bay and multiple casualties.
At 10:12 A patrol Sgt. or Lt, calls for a five man strike to rally on him at Mandalay Bay and the Boulevard.
4 minutes gone by, rounds still outgoing.
Officers on the ground are still not entirely sure that there is one shooter or exactly the position and orientation of the shooter(s). Reports of shots coming from Gate 7.
At 11:12 a rifle has been deployed in front of Mandalay Bay, and calls go out to provide spotter info so the rifle armed officer can engage. Response is confusion on whether Mandalay or Luxor.
At 11:13 an officer reports that the shots are coming from the 50th or 60th floor. Another officer contradicts this by saying it is in the West Tower in the Center of the building.
At 10:14, an officer is reported shot.
At 10:14 another officer reports that he is on the 31st floor and can hear the automatic fire, one floor above us.
6 minutes have elapsed since the first reports of shots fired.
At 10:17, officers are still reporting that the shooter is in about the 15th floor.
At 10:19 Drunk civilians are reported to be running toward the gunfire. Also at this time another patrol supervisor has rallied a team of four and is moving to make contact with the suspect. Requests for the elevators to be shut down to limit the suspects movement have been made.
Also at this time there are two officers outside the shooters door, waiting for more officers to arrive.
At 10:21 officers are still receiving fire from suspect.
At 10:23 an officer reports that there may have been three shooters.
at 10:24 room 135 is identified as shooters room.
At 10:26 report of the security officer being hit comes in.
At 10:27, team holding the door of 135 advise that another team is in route and that there is a second shooter on the 29th floor.
At 10:29 a report of citizens trying to take shotguns out of police vehicles.
At 10:32 triage is being set up by FD.
At 10:36, a fireteam element has arrived on the 29th floor.
10:39 a SWAT team is moving up to the 32nd floor.
At 10:40, an officer reports that he has not heard any shots for about ten to fifteen minutes.
At 10:41 Z20 (Swat Team Leader) say they are on site.
10:45 report of a citizens taking patrol cars, officer requesting assistance.
At 10:49 a Swat officer is asking if the floor has been evacuated because snipers are staging soon. Rooms are being cleared one by one. Fireteams are stuck at the lobby because the elevators are shut down.
At 10:51, an officer reports a possible (suspect) at Reno and Tropicana.
At 10:58 officers report that the hallway where the shooters room is located is contained.
This broadcast ends at 11:06 without any further radio traffic.
After reviewing this, I believe that entry was not made for at least 72 minutes.
I was not there and cannot account for the tactical decisions. Officers had the room pegged 16 minutes from first report of shots fired. At some point they received fire from the room. That at least changed the focus of the shooter. Undoubtedly the officers were outgunned, overwhelmingly, with far less ammunition than the suspect.
“The shooting reportedly stopped after five to fifteen minutes, though estimates vary.”
From -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/las-vegas-shooting
Ok. As a simpleton here, just listening to the radio and watching the news, how and why is the media getting away with over 70 Minutes? Even Savage was going down that road on. 77 Wabc?
He was shooting for ten to fifteen minutes. After the shooting it took a hour to get to him. That is the reality of police response to this kind of situation. The facts are still pretty sketchy as to how this went down.
“He was shooting for ten to fifteen minutes. After the shooting it took a hour to get to him.”
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That’s what I figure, too. Not a common scenario that they run into every day.
Ok. So the public is aware; The shooter had say 12 minutes of fire on innocents then sat and warded off police for 49 Minutes?
Why did it take so long to blow that door than?
Now, we are talking police lives here. The best of the best. Why so long? That’s my question.
Much better than Orlando massacre which took, what? 6 hours? I remember thinking I could have done the 2 hour trip from home and arrived way before them
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