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Francis: "God Cannot Be God without Man." - Yes, he really said that. {Catholic Caucus]
Fatima Perspectives ^ | June 9, 2017 | Christopher A. Ferrara

Posted on 06/11/2017 9:37:54 PM PDT by ebb tide

In yet another of his curious pronouncements from the Vatican, Pope Bergoglio offered the following remarkable opinion at his General Audience this past Wednesday:

“We can be far, hostile; we can even say we are ‘without God.’ But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God ‘without man’; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery! [Dio non può essere Dio senza l’uomo: grande mistero è questo!]”

In other words, according to Pope Bergoglio God needs man in order to complete His nature. Now, of course, any minimally catechized ten-year-old knows that God does not need anything whatsoever and that His creation of man was a gratuitous manifestation of His infinite love. Indeed, a being who needed anything would, by definition, not be God, the highest being and the ground of all other being, but some lesser being. For as even Plato recognized in the light of human reason alone, God must be “the sum of all perfections.”

It would be easy enough to dismiss Pope Bergoglio’s opinion as merely sloppy language resulting in nonsense. But it would appear that beneath the nonsense is something deeper and even more nonsensical, albeit more troubling for the Church: the “evolutionary theology” of Teilhard de Chardin in which Pope Bergoglio was steeped during his formation as a liberal Jesuit of the Sixties and Seventies, despite condemnation of Teilhard de Chardin’s heresies by the Holy Office under Pope John XXIII.

It was in fact Pope Bergoglio who, in his “green encyclical” Laudato si’, referred to the “contribution of Teilhard de Chardin” in a footnote to a passage wherein Pope Bergoglio declares: “The ultimate destiny of the universe is in the fullness of God, which has already been attained by the risen Christ, fulcrum of the universal maturation.” (The Vatican’s English translation is not faithful to the official Italian version, including the key Teilhardian phrase fulcro della maturazione universale [“fulcrum of the universal maturation”].)

That is, according to Pope Bergoglio, Christ attains the “fullness of God” through evolution because, through evolution, He has become a man risen from the dead and, as such, the “fulcrum of the universal maturation” who will lead all things to Teilhard’s imaginary Omega Point. Thus did Teilhard, a scientific as well as a theological fraud, implicated in the Piltdown Man hoax, have the audacity to assert in his The Heart of the Matter: “It is Christ, in very truth, who saves — but should we not immediately add that, at the same time, it is Christ who is saved by Evolution?”

LifeSiteNews, in an article by John-Henry Westen, has also taken note of Pope Bergoglio’s apparent attachment to Teilhardian “process theology,” which asserts that “God perfects himself by creation or grows with creation.” And while it is certainly true that given the Incarnation, God will henceforth never be without man, this is not the same as saying, as Bergoglio does, that God could not be God without man. As an orthodox theologian cited by LifeSite explains: “… God has absolutely no actual need of mankind, our relationship with God being entirely dependent on that gratuitous superabundance of the infinite Divine Love of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”

As Westen’s headline states: “We need another clarification.” None will be forthcoming if past Bergoglian practice is any indication. In any event, Catholics in a position to do so have a duty to present, yet again, the authentic teaching of the Church in order to counter the latest Bergoglian novelty. The acquiescence of silence is not an option.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
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God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery!
1 posted on 06/11/2017 9:37:54 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

A Jesuit’s Jesuit.


2 posted on 06/11/2017 9:38:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: dp0622; fatima; Forty_Seven

Francis ping


3 posted on 06/11/2017 9:39:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A Jesuit’s Jesuit”

A dumb-asses dumb ass

And, more scriptually, a Satanist’s Satanist.

The number of man.


5 posted on 06/11/2017 9:42:07 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: ebb tide

You win this one in spades.

I dont know any communists who even believe in God.

And he IS a communist.

Yes, I am criticizing Pope Francis this time.

The he just barely clings to the tenets is all he has left.

Abortion, marriage between man and a woman.

I THINK he still holds those truths to be, uh, true.


7 posted on 06/11/2017 9:50:20 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: ebb tide

In the beginning was God...

Sorry... “pope” but that was before man.

Who is this imposture claiming to be pope?


9 posted on 06/11/2017 10:09:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Make America Great Again !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a new name for him. Pope Fiasco


10 posted on 06/11/2017 10:11:14 PM PDT by xp38
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To: ebb tide

What did God do before He created humans?


11 posted on 06/11/2017 10:12:03 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: ebb tide
Now, of course, any minimally catechized ten-year-old knows that God does not need anything whatsoever …
Never mind this particular fact being canonized in Acts 17:25.
12 posted on 06/11/2017 10:12:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

Too much wacky weed in the incense burner.


13 posted on 06/11/2017 10:23:39 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: ebb tide
So, He wasn't actually God until He invented people?

Yeah, that makes sense...

Then, what was He before He invented people?

Is He God to the angels and the rest of His creation or only to we, the people?

14 posted on 06/11/2017 10:25:44 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: ebb tide
Just to confirm...dude's Catholic, right?
15 posted on 06/11/2017 10:45:49 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill

Juridically and officially, Bergoglio is a Catholic. In reality, he is not.


16 posted on 06/11/2017 11:04:46 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide
Huh? If God cannot be God without man, doesn't that mean that Man is really the God?

Francis is insane. This sounds more like Nietzsche than the words of a Pope.

17 posted on 06/11/2017 11:09:45 PM PDT by grania (Deplarable and Proud of It!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Bergoglio the gigilo is pimped out by satan himself.


18 posted on 06/11/2017 11:16:24 PM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of our hearts, and You love us the same...)
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To: ebb tide

Gog and Magog and Bergog!


19 posted on 06/11/2017 11:27:55 PM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of our hearts, and You love us the same...)
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To: ebb tide


Ali:
rope-a-dope

Bergoglio:
pope-a-dope


20 posted on 06/12/2017 12:04:38 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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