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Sir Roger Penrose and other Scientists Announce Consciousness Beyond the Grave
Christian Post ^ | 11/22/2016 | Daniel Delzell

Posted on 11/22/2016 10:04:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: beethovenfan

So Ghosts do exist?


21 posted on 11/22/2016 10:49:45 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Read ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’


22 posted on 11/22/2016 10:49:51 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: milagro

Consciousness imbues every aspect of creation. It is God’s presence in all things. It takes a very small mind to deny God.


23 posted on 11/22/2016 11:07:08 AM PST by Louis Foxwell ( Trump is the collective voice of 100 million F U Â’s.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Penrose has been into the biological tie-in to quantum mechanics for a long time. He challenged artificial intelligence back in the 1980s with his theory of quantum mechanics operation in the brain. He wrote a book titled The Emporer’s New Brain.


24 posted on 11/22/2016 11:33:00 AM PST by old-ager
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Huh?


25 posted on 11/22/2016 12:03:41 PM PST by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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To: old-ager

Penrose has been into the biological tie-in to quantum mechanics for a long time.

...

That’s what I thought. He’s been making this claim for decades.


26 posted on 11/22/2016 12:13:44 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: blueunicorn6

“The physicists tell us that all is energy.

They also tell us that energy can not be destroyed, only changed.”

That’s really only half the picture, because consciousness is a combination of energy AND information, and information can be destroyed. So even though the energy will survive, in some form, that is no guarantee that the consciousness survives along with it.

If this discovery can truly demonstrate that the information is preserved, then that provides a means for the consciousness to survive as well.


27 posted on 11/22/2016 12:13:50 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: litehaus
No, stone is simply energy. We have senses which receive the energy, paint a picture in the mind, which allows consciousness to perceive it as stone. A different set of sense would likely perceive the same world (time/space location) in a totally different way. The perceiver is the necessary integer, and 'the world is in the mind' as Berkeley said.
28 posted on 11/22/2016 12:21:37 PM PST by servantoftheservant
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To: Carl Vehse

Well, there’s a link to a journal article about his general theory here, I don’t think he has published anything on this latest discovery he is claiming about the near-death experiences yet.

http://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-quantum-vibrations-microtubules-corroborates.html


29 posted on 11/22/2016 12:22:16 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ifinnegan

So, you don’t think that Biblical ideals manifest themselves in actual physics? I say they do. God created physics.


30 posted on 11/22/2016 12:40:23 PM PST by GingisK
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To: litehaus

“Suspect the stone, water,trees are there whether we are here to ‘experience’ them or not...”

Well, according to some interpretations of quantum physics (mainstream interpretations, not quack theories), an observation is required to “resolve” anything from simple quantum probabilities to the apparently deterministic universe that we perceive. We do know with a certainty that, at the atomic/subatomic level at least, things behave quite differently depending on whether we are observing them or not.


31 posted on 11/22/2016 12:53:40 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: beethovenfan
The TRUTH needs retelling every ouce in a while.
32 posted on 11/22/2016 12:55:07 PM PST by fella ("As this iiwas before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: milagro

“If e=mc2, then mass and energy are inextricably linked—by Light.”

No, “c” is just the maximum speed anything can achieve in the physical universe. It happens that light travels at that speed, so we call it the “speed of light”, but it is the maximum speed for anything really, it is not intrinsically linked to light.


33 posted on 11/22/2016 12:56:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

UTTER bull crap.
You cannot realize ANYTHING once you die.
ALL you can ever know of is existence.


34 posted on 11/22/2016 1:23:43 PM PST by HWGruene (REMEMBER THE ALAMO!)
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To: GingisK

“So, you don’t think that Biblical ideals manifest themselves in actual physics? I say they do. God created physics.”

I do.

Paul said as much in Romans.


35 posted on 11/22/2016 1:25:39 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Steelfish

That burns up the material...the immaterial cannot be destroyed.


36 posted on 11/22/2016 1:26:24 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: ifinnegan

Good grief. I do believe the bible...and I believe in atoms and air...and if God used microtubules...I believe in those, too. True science is God’s methods...it’s not heresy.


37 posted on 11/22/2016 1:30:35 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: ifinnegan

Indeed, he did. I think we still have a LOT of discovery adventures left in the box.


38 posted on 11/22/2016 1:40:30 PM PST by GingisK
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To: SeekAndFind

...and I thought some fish with 4 legs walked out of the slime pond and began human evolution. Who knew these fish had microtubules, too.

/s....do I even need to add this tag?


39 posted on 11/22/2016 1:44:08 PM PST by newfreep ("If Lyin' Ted was an American citizen, he would be a traitor.")
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To: Steelfish

Yes even after cremation.

2 Peter 3 12, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, where in the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


40 posted on 11/22/2016 2:29:16 PM PST by Rock N Jones (s)
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