Posted on 11/20/2016 10:43:00 AM PST by NRx
You’re one of the few Catholics I’ve seen to say were saved by grace alone and that we have a personal relationship with Christ.
Then define Who is God.
I will take that as a complement. You should talk to more Catholic. I will say that many Catholics are not theologically well educated and may not use the terms you are familiar with. But believe me, the whole point of Catholicism is to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ even if we are not comfortable with speaking about it to others.
It is not as rare as you would like to think.
“God” is the Supreme Being, infinitely perfect, who made all things and keeps them in existence.
In God there are three Persons, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
About 2000 years ago, God the Son became Man, or, as St. John says: “The Word became flesh.”
This event occurred in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Because Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity, Mary is the mother of God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Question:
Do you deny that the son of Mary is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity?
Anyone reading both of our posts will notice that I define my terms, and I answer your questions. You, on the other hand, never answer my questions, but respond with insults.
You have never responded to my yes-or-no questions concerning my two syllogisms.
You continue to refuse to answer my yes-or-no questions. Instead you spit out insults against Catholics.
Intellectually honest people answer yes-or-no questions. Intellectually dishonest people refuse to answer yes-or-no questions.
The term "mother of God" implies way more than the catholic wants to limit it to.
As you correctly note, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
If Mary is the "mother of God", then she is the mother of the Father as well and the Holy Spirit.
Catholics would do well to use the terms the Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the NT to use.
Mary, His mother (Matt 2:11,13,14,20,21)
...by the cross of Jesus were His mother...Jn 19:25)
Mary the mother of Jesus (Acts 1:14)
Here’s a yes-or-no question:
Is Jesus God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity?
The term "mother of God" is not accorded to Mary in the New Testament.
Your attempt at logic fails.
CANON XXIV.-If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.These and the other references you gave all speak of what happens after one is justified. Catholics and Protestants agree that justification is only by the grace of God without any merit on the part of man. The dispute is whether, after justification has be received, is there an actual sanctification or increase in holiness (as Catholics believe), or do we remain hopelessly corrupt with only a legal imputation of God's righteousness (as Protestants believe). This latter would leave us as the whitewashed sepulchers that our Lord condemned with the Pharisees. There are enough disputes between Catholics and Protestants that you do not have to create new ones where they do not exist.CANON XXX.-If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.
CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.
A simple category mistake of logic! What do they teach in Catholic seminaries these days??
I see. You are unwilling to affirm that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
You DO realize, I hope, that refusing to acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God means that you are damned, right? Jesus says that if you deny Him before men, He will deny you before the Father.
You have been asked whether Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Trinity.
You responded to this yes-or-no question with something about Mary—who is not mentioned in my question.
Since you refuse to affirm that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, I conclude that you are not a Christian.
Is Jesus also God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? No. In the context Thomas' declaration of "My Lord and my God!" is only referring to him as God the Son. Likewise, the title of "Mother of God" is only referring to her motherhood of Jesus, God the Son, who is the Son of God and the Son of Mary. Not really hard to understand if you want to.
Sorry Art...that was not your original question.
I have no problem with saying Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.
I have on more than one occasion and in more than one thread confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.
I will add further that it is only through faith in Him that we gain Heaven. He, and only He, is our Redeemer and Mediator.
Mary plays no role in our salvation. She is not our co-redemtrix or mediatrix.
Are you willing to agree, based on the New Testament, there is only One Redeemer and Mediator?
Is Jesus also God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? No. In the context Thomas' declaration of "My Lord and my God!" is only referring to him as God the Son. Likewise, the title of "Mother of God" is only referring to her motherhood of Jesus, God the Son, who is the Son of God and the Son of Mary. Not really hard to understand if you want to.
The primary difference, and it's a huge one, is that Thomas' statement is recorded in the text. And as you note...it is about context.
No where in the NT do we have Mary refereed to as the "Mother of God".
Why? For the reasons I've already stated.
Not really hard to understand if you want to.
And where in the Bible does it say that our faith is to be based solely on the Bible?
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