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To: Mark17
I disagree bro. You already told me I didn't need the sacrments, and I agree with that. It is the only thing that you and I agree on. I didn't reject "His church," I reject your church. The two are mutually exclusive. Salvation isn't in some church, whatever it may be. There are some saved and lost people in many churches. It is nice to be my own pope. You should try it. You'll like it. If someone has no assurance of salvation, that's on them

Of course you disagree, you had the truth and chose to reject it....that's on you.The Sacraments are outward signs, instituted by Christ, to give Grace....and they do. Of course there are saved and lost people in every church, but Catholics are NEVER lost because they are Catholic, they may become lost if they stray from Christ's chosen path.

All Protestants want to be their "own Pope", but it never works. If everyone got to do their own thing as far as salvation, or for that matter, anything, then there would no longer be a difference between right and wrong or correct and incorrect. But, of course there is....you don't set up your own traffic laws, moral standards, matters of faith, and if everyone did, there would be chaos (Protestantism)....oh, that's right...there is.

202 posted on 05/13/2016 9:20:50 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; metmom; Elsie; MHGinTN
Of course you disagree, you had the truth and chose to reject it....that's on you.The Sacraments are outward signs, instituted by Christ, to give Grace....and they do.

I disagree bro. I don't do sacraments, and I am doing just fine, thank you very much. I have spiritual insight. I don't know about others.

Of course there are saved and lost people in every church, but Catholics are NEVER lost because they are Catholic, they may become lost if they stray from Christ's chosen path.

There are saved and lost in most churches. I prefer being in one where the majority are saved, as opposed to one where the majority are lost. It's pretty hard to share anything spiritual with someone who is going to Hell.
I semi agree on the second point. When I was a Catholic, so many decades ago, if I had died, I would have gone straight to Hell. It would not have been because I was a Catholic. I would have gone to hell, because I was an unregenerate sinner, like so many in false apostate religions.

You, a fallen away Catholic are conducting Bible studies......you leave the church that edited, compiled basically wrote, hand copied through the centuries, saved for mankind the Bible....

Yes, I conduct Navigator Bible studies. They taught me well. Praise God for the Navigators. They are truly sent from God to teach the truth. If people don't want to hear the truth, or if they have no assurance of salvation, sorry about that, but that's on them. I don't have that problem. I don't know if you do. 😀😄😆😎

205 posted on 05/13/2016 11:20:39 PM PDT by Mark17 (I traded my shackles for a glorious song. I'm free, praise the Lord, free at last.)
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To: terycarl; Mark17
Of course you disagree, you had the truth and chose to reject it....that's on you.The Sacraments are outward signs, instituted by Christ, to give Grace....and they do.

Grace does not come by sacraments. God doesn't dole them out in stingy parcels based on performance.

Scripture tells us this.

Grace Grace for Luke 1:28 and Ephesians 1:6 Same word for grace, in the Beloved http://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/1-6.htm

Ephesians 1:3-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

John 1:14-17 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Of course there are saved and lost people in every church, but Catholics are NEVER lost because they are Catholic, they may become lost if they stray from Christ's chosen path.

So wait. Which is it? NEVER lost or lost? You're contradicting yourself. You're playing both ends against the middle.

All Protestants want to be their "own Pope", but it never works. If everyone got to do their own thing as far as salvation, or for that matter, anything, then there would no longer be a difference between right and wrong or correct and incorrect. But, of course there is....you don't set up your own traffic laws, moral standards, matters of faith, and if everyone did, there would be chaos (Protestantism)....oh, that's right...there is.

So do Catholics believe in moral relativism?

Because Christians don't. We have the word of God and HIS standard to live by. And He tells us that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. That's the ONLY way to be saved.

There would only be many paths to salvation if it were by works and God didn't leave us His word.

But God DID leave us His word and salvation is not by works. It's by faith just like Jesus taught and it for good and secure.

John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

209 posted on 05/14/2016 4:50:22 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl
All Protestants want to be their "own Pope", but it never works.

All Cathoics want to complain about their latest Pope, but it he really doesn't care what the little people think.

222 posted on 05/14/2016 6:13:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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