Posted on 08/21/2015 7:07:55 AM PDT by Salvation
So, even though the Bible says that there is ONE mediator - Jesus, somebody in the Catholic Church decided (without Biblical documentation) that Jesus is either too busy or not good enough and so we need to pray to dead people in order to speak to our God?
Just like the climate change argument, I don’t understand how basic truth can be missed here.
If God declares that Jesus is our mediator/intercessor, who are we to “correct” Him?
That is pretty treacherous ground to be walking on in my opinion.
verb (used with object), mediated, mediating.
1.
to settle (disputes, strikes, etc.) as an intermediary between parties; reconcile.
2.
to bring about (an agreement, accord, truce, peace, etc.) as an intermediary between parties by compromise, reconciliation, removal of misunderstanding, etc.
3.
to effect (a result) or convey (a message, gift, etc.) by or as if by an intermediary.
verb (used without object), mediated, mediating.
4.
to act between parties to effect an agreement, compromise, reconciliation, etc.
5.
to occupy an intermediate place or position.
Not mediate. I do ask anyone to be my go-between, I ask them to pray for grace, mercy, and healing as a third party not in lieu of me asking. I can and will talk to Jesus on my own I do not need another person to help me or talk for me.
I don’t think the problem is that NO criticism or disagreement is allowed. The problem is the nature of the disagreement.
Pope does not disagree with Scripture. Indeed, he cites a Pauline description of mediation of the Gospel and invites us to consider whether a preacher is a mediator.
It’s not Scripture with which he disagrees but with a particular interpretation of Scripture which, in his opinion, contradicts Scripture itself. That much can be gained from reading the brief article.
So, when a response suggests that he is inviting us to believe him RATHER THAN a scripture, that response is not, uh, responsive.
To whom are they praying?
FOR whom are they praying?
Defs 3, 4, and 5.
That is the meaning of the "Communion of Saints" and the "Body of Christ."
Tagline.
Agreed, but I believe the Monsignor was taking the RC mandated, safe route. St. Paul may have been referring to a pastor/preacher being a mediator but he never once delved into the thought that the dead could ever be considered as such. This is where RC doctrine diverges from scripture and leads the faithful away from Christ as the only source.
When anyone shows me from the SCRIPTURES where we are told to pray to dead people I will do it! While I consider myself as neither Catholic nor Protestant (simply a Christian) the Protestants were right to identify this practice as having no biblical authority! Back to the Bible!
Only when we are living. The dead do not meddle in the affairs of the living.
That is the meaning of the "Communion of Saints" and the "Body of Christ."
Nope. Not even close, at least where it concerns those who are apart from the body and are in the presence of the Lord.
Pray to the Lord.
Anyone they want.
The big difference is asking dead people to do anything. They are beyond our reach. As far as living they can pray to the Lord for anything they want and for me and others if they wish. I do not however need someone who stands in between me and the Lord (like the Pope or any earthly pastor) and tries to act as a channel or direct line for me. I have a direct line, His name is Jesus.
Hey, who are you going to believe anywise, the Bible or some guy in a dress with a funny hat?
“When anyone shows me from the SCRIPTURES where we are told to pray to dead people I will do it!”
First, show us where scripture claims the saints in Heaven are dead people rather than alive in Christ, okay?
He didn’t say the Bible was wrong. He said there are additional ways of looking at it.
If you are a baptized Catholic you will always be a Catholic. You may not be an active one, but you can come back at any time by sitting down with a priest and getting your questions answered.
When people die, only their body dies. Their soul is instantly judged by Christ.
You’re welcome.
Show me a scripture that tells us to ask saints in Heaven to pray for us.
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