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David Harsanyi: Was I Wrong To Support Gay Marriage?
The Federalist ^ | June 30, 2015 | David Harsanyi, senior editor

Posted on 06/30/2015 8:17:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If same-sex marriage is used to pummel religious Americans into submission, it will be a disaster.

I’ve supported same-sex marriage ever since I first heard the idea. And when I became a political columnist in the early 2000s—despite being the “conservative” at a good-sized newspaper—I was the only one at the paper (as far as I can recall) who unequivocally backed gay marriage publicly. Though I wasn’t gullible enough to believe I’d be persuading many readers, I was gullible enough to believe that my allies in the cause were merely concerned with “equality.”

As we dig out from the avalanche of half-baked platitudes about “love being love” and watch alleged news organizations and the White House adorn themselves in cheerful rainbows, we can look forward to the self-righteous mobs that will be defaming anyone who is reluctant to embrace the state’s new definition of marriage. Love is love, except when a person loves their God and follows the principles of their faith, evidently.

Do a majority of Americans who support gay marriage believe these traditionalists deserve to be treated like unrepentant Klan boosters? Of course, there will always be the obnoxious Puritan, as the quote goes, who loves God with all his soul, but hates his neighbor with all his heart...

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: buyersremorse; davidharsanyi; fascism; gaymarriage; heretics; homosexualagenda; liberaltarians; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; obamanation; samesexmaaiage; sodomandgomorrah; ssm
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1 posted on 06/30/2015 8:17:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Idiot.


2 posted on 06/30/2015 8:19:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well at least now they will not be able to blame Christians for using the government to prevent them from getting married.


3 posted on 06/30/2015 8:20:00 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
David you believed that liberals and perverts had good intentions?

Wow! Dumber then advertised!

4 posted on 06/30/2015 8:21:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doubts? Your conscience beginning to nag at you a little? Don’t worry; the searing of that conscience will finally begin to soothe you a little.


5 posted on 06/30/2015 8:28:30 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is just irritating. There is no equality to something intrinsically not equal. Homosexuality is not congruent with how we humans are made. Yes people can achieve an org*sm that way. No it is not the way we are biologically made. Even if a person wants to argue it is normal (ridiculous), it produces ZERO PERCENT of our future generations. Heterosexuality produces 100%. That alone makes it apples and oranges. One should be of no interest to government. The other is of vital interest.

Hello?

But in spite of all that, the author was insanely blind to think it would not result in oppression of those who oppose. Did he read nothing of what was already happening BEFORE the court decision?


6 posted on 06/30/2015 8:29:54 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does such a naive man get to be senior editor of anything?


7 posted on 06/30/2015 8:36:39 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Toobin’s entire framing is dishonest, but it will be endlessly repeated by those attempting to coerce everyone into compliance. The evangelical florist is discriminating against the gay couple in the same way Jeffery Toobin is discriminating against the Catholic who asks him to write a column defending the unborn. The liberty interest being asserted by the florist is choosing not to participate in an event because of a religious consideration. The florist is not turning anyone away because they are gay. On the other hand, government will be forcing the florist to surrender his faith or his business." -David Harsanyi, The Federalist

That is a perfect analogy. It sounds to me like Harsanyi already regrets his support for "gay marriage" but isn't yet willing to admit it.

8 posted on 06/30/2015 8:38:02 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All one had to do was look at the “evolotion” that happened in the Episcopal Church USA. I watched it happen from a conservative parish in the San Francisco Bay Area. They kept at it. They had a mission and they never gave up. If you disagreed with the same sex marriage (in the church) you couldn’t possibly be a good and loving Christian. Christ is inclusive don’t you know?


9 posted on 06/30/2015 8:46:05 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I really do think the only defense here is to strengthen the notion that civil law and religious law are completely different things. I think that at this point that pastors and priests have the fallback position of refusing to sign ANY American court issued marriage license, let the civil officials paid to do it, do it.

At this point pastors may want to address sermons to a general audience (unless the Catholics have something clever up their sleeves), the Bible remains the same and Bible studies should be brought back to greater prominence. What are they going to do, demand an edit?! Maybe do historical background on the moral climate of Rome at the time of Jesus and the early church as I believe that does offer valuable lessons on this particular topic.

In any event to me it seems like we can do this the hard way or the easy way. There are plenty of moral issues which would be profitable to address to a general audience, would would be of great benefit to any parishioner, straight, gay, or otherwise. Being utterly obsessed with the sexual possibilities of the rest of a sleepy group of parishioners who are thinking about anything but this would rank up there in the realm of spiritual sickness.


10 posted on 06/30/2015 9:06:51 PM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would just add the modifier “uninformed” in front of “idiot.” He knows nothing about progs and Marxists.


11 posted on 06/30/2015 9:07:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I am sick to death of "good intentions".....

like those who didn't vote Romney....

its the EFFECT of what you do that counts.... like this shallow hollow wimp in this article, who didn't really think of his actions

12 posted on 06/30/2015 9:23:17 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

Romney - The father of extinctionist marriage?


13 posted on 06/30/2015 9:26:57 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: BlackAdderess

here is the problem.....there will be enough so called Christian ministers and Catholic priests and Mormon elders etc supporting homo marriage that the rest of the Bible believing Christians will be forced to comply because, you know, the “important” Christian community was for it...


14 posted on 06/30/2015 9:28:24 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

David are you familiar with the concept of the useful idiot? You were used as a useful idiot by those pushing homosexual marriage. You were used to give some credence to a conservative case for homosexual marriage. You were used by people who lied to you about their real goals and true intentions if the goal of homosexual marriage was realized.


15 posted on 06/30/2015 9:43:15 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: cherry

A couple of churches in my area have gone this way, one is Presbyterian, I was very persistently hit on while trying to go to Sunday school and will never go back. Another is a church where you will hear absolutely anything but the Word of God, it feels pointless and dead, why would I ever want to go back?

Caving in to PC tinkering never ends with achieving one victory.

As an aside, the last time I ordered Bible study materials they had to be shipped from the UK as they seem to have become a bit of a rarity around here.


17 posted on 06/30/2015 9:58:43 PM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just another useful idiot and closet commie. Equality? my ass.


18 posted on 06/30/2015 10:00:36 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cherry

Like those who didn’t vote for Romney? And he would have been any better on the issue? Conservatives didn’t think so.


19 posted on 06/30/2015 10:06:43 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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